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JohnTheMacGeek Calculating status...
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Aug 21, 2012 6:19 AM

How do I add another top rule to this smart playlist? When I hold down the Option key it and click the "..." button it only adds another nested line. I'm running OS-X 10.8 with iTunes 10.6.3.Screen Shot 2012-08-21 at 8.09.50 AM.png

MacBook Pro (13-inch Mid 2009), OS X Mountain Lion
  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (73,385 points)
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    Aug 21, 2012 7:48 AM (in response to JohnTheMacGeek)

    JohnTheMacGeek wrote:

     

    How do I add another top rule to this smart playlist? When I hold down the Option key it and click the "..." button it only adds another nested line.

    Don't hold down the Option key and click on the plus + sign.

  • turingtest2 Level 8 Level 8 (43,925 points)
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    Aug 21, 2012 8:15 AM (in response to JohnTheMacGeek)

    Click on the plus sign of the last top level rule. This adds another rule at the same level.

     

    tt2

  • Glenn Carter Level 4 Level 4 (3,360 points)
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    Nov 13, 2012 12:38 PM (in response to JohnTheMacGeek)

    I'm having the same problem as well.

     

    Is it possible that there is a limit to the number of rules you can have? I have 4 top-level rules but more nested ones, whereas John here has 5 top-level but fewer nested. Neither of us can add any further top-level rules.

     

    My thread and screenshot are here:

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/message/20274908#20274908

  • turingtest2 Level 8 Level 8 (43,925 points)
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    Nov 13, 2012 2:20 PM (in response to Glenn Carter)

    I wonder if the Mac is failing to show you that you can scroll that screen after adding more rules. I can add dozens & dozens of rules, though nested no more than 6 levels deep!

     

    By and large you don't often need more than two levels  Two groups of match any rules, the first lumping togther the things to include, the second things to exclude, joined together with a match all will usually do.

     

    (This, or this, or this...) AND (Not this, nor this, nor this...)

     

    tt2

  • Glenn Carter Level 4 Level 4 (3,360 points)
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    Nov 13, 2012 2:18 PM (in response to turingtest2)

    Yeah, I thought of that. But there is nothing below what you see in my screenshot in the other thread - just 'rubber-bands' back down.

     

    Nevertheless, clicking the "+" button on the "last top level rule", as you suggest, simply adds a nested rule to the last top-level rule - not a new top level rule. Puzzling...

  • turingtest2 Level 8 Level 8 (43,925 points)
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    Nov 13, 2012 2:23 PM (in response to Glenn Carter)

    Hmm, I'll have another look when I get home.

     

    tt2

  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (73,385 points)
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    Nov 13, 2012 2:55 PM (in response to turingtest2)

    turingtest2 wrote:

     

    I wonder if the Mac is failing to show you that you can scroll that screen after adding more rules.

    Mountain Lion kindly hides the scroll bars for you in iTunes. Move the cursor and However...

     

    Nested playlists are kinda flaky in regards to this specific issue.

    You can only add equal level rules to the one you select.

    Clicking the plus/ellipsis in an Any/All rule will only give you sub-rules

     

    See the photos above. Everything on the far left is only Any/All rules so you cannot add anymore rules at this level.

    (does this make sense?)

     

    To fix it, there should be a ctrl option click (or something) to give you an anti-sub-rule rule (but there isn't).

     

    Cannot add a top level rule...

    Screen Shot 2012-11-13 at 3.39.51 PM.jpg

     

    Can add top level rule by option click the ellipsis at end of Artist rule.

    Screen Shot 2012-11-13 at 3.42.52 PM.jpg

  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (73,385 points)
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    Nov 13, 2012 3:07 PM (in response to Chris CA)

    Okay, here's the fix...

    Move the cursor to the right of one of the nested rules before the minus/plus sign.

    Click the mouse and you can drag the rules and rearrange them.

    Drag a nested playlist (not and Any/All rule) to the top above the first Any/All rule and you can then add more top level rules.

  • Glenn Carter Level 4 Level 4 (3,360 points)
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    Nov 13, 2012 3:06 PM (in response to Chris CA)

    Yes! That works. Sure isn't very intuative. However, you must be able to create a new top-level rule easier than this.

     

    It use to be that turingtest2's suggestion worked in previous verisons of iTunes. But that no longer is the case. So what did they replace that ability with? This 'create & drag' method? I've been using Mac's since the 80's and would have never figured that out.

     

    Thank you Chris! If you respond to the thread I created for this question (link above) I'd be happy to shoot some points your way.

  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (73,385 points)
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    Nov 13, 2012 3:11 PM (in response to Glenn Carter)

    Glenn Carter wrote:

     

    Yes! That works. Sure isn't very intuative.

    I just found this option.

    Messing around I created a playlist and clicked the plus to add a bunch of rules. Then while deleting the rules, I clicked and dragged a slight bit and noticed the rule moved.

     

    No worries here about the points...

  • RareWaves Calculating status...
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    Dec 13, 2012 1:01 PM (in response to Chris CA)

    Thanks, Chris.  This one has been bugging me ever since I started editing some of my complex smart playlists to incorporate the iCloud status and Location fields.  It would be nice if Apple added this little gem to their help file.  There's no indication that dragging the rules around would have any impact on the top level order.  And it sure isn't intuitive.  I like the Ctrl+Option Click idea (which I tried) and I tried dragging the rule to the left (to no avail).  At least we CAN create complex playlists so I'm grateful for that.

     

    (iTunes 11 on 10.8.2)

  • Bri Guy Calculating status...
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    Dec 24, 2013 1:31 PM (in response to Chris CA)

    I have this exact problem, and the solution looked appropriate for me. However, it doesn't seem to work with iTunes 11.0.3. There is no gray "condition will land here" indicator when I move one to the top. I will upgrade iTunes when I have a chance, and then try again. Apple needs to address this.

  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (73,385 points)
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    Dec 24, 2013 5:37 PM (in response to Bri Guy)

    Bri Guy wrote:

     

    I have this exact problem, and the solution looked appropriate for me. However, it doesn't seem to work with iTunes 11.0.3. There is no gray "condition will land here" indicator when I move one to the top.

    What is "gray "condition will land here"" ?

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