Currently Being ModeratedDec 13, 2012 6:00 PM (in response to slstaer)
either use an external enclosure or bare drive adapter cable, or install the drive in one of the available open positions in the machine, I thought you had already done this in the new machine and tried to boot it from your old OS 9 system, I didn't understand your earlier post. You may have to set the jumper on the drive to the "slave" setting if you use the IDE plug in the middle of a cable, or "master" if on the end. Some G4's just use cable select for any position. Each G4 tower is a little different, not sure which one you have.
Currently Being ModeratedDec 13, 2012 6:26 PM (in response to Glen Doggett)
We replaced the "new" G4 hard drive with ours (because we have no idea what we're doing ). We took out the drive that was running OSX tiger and put in our drive (the "ribbon cable" and the other 4 prong plug) that was running OS 9.2. Where should we hook our drive into the new G4?
Currently Being ModeratedDec 13, 2012 6:48 PM (in response to slstaer)
And we tried putting the "new" G4 hard drive (running OSX tiger) back in and put our hard drive into the P2 port. The OSX starts... where do we find our hard drive?
Well, there are several variations of the G4 tower, so how you can connect the drive depends on what kind of IDE interface you have in that particular machine. Typically, in some of the later models, there are two plugs on the ribbon cable and there are extra 4-prong "molex" power plugs, so you can just connect your new drive to a plug in the middle of the ribbon cable and connect the power cable.
If the jumpers on the drive are set correctly and the cables are all hooked up, then the drive should show up in the Finder. Some Macs might have an interface cable with only one plug on it, in that event you would need to replace the ribbon cable with one that has two plugs. Watch those installation videos to see if they match what model G4 you have.
If the drive is hooked up properly and does not show up, then you may discover that the hard drive itself is bad. Running with an external bare-drive cable adapter would let you listen to the drive to see if it makes any strange noises, or none at all.
Currently Being ModeratedDec 15, 2012 11:14 AM (in response to slstaer)
Since you pulled the drive from a non-working machine, this could be a bad drive, but your original problems sounded more like it was something else related to power, RAM or motherboard, really hard to say.
If you have everything connected properly in a "new" working machine, then there is the possibility that the drive itself is bad. (any of the Power Mac resident experts have any additional ideas here?) Can you tell if the drive is spinning up, might not be easy with all the other noise the machine makes, but if you used an external bare drive adapter then you might be able to tell.
Could be you have a machine that uses "cable select", what model is the new G4, what shows up when you select from the Apple Menu bar, About This Mac, then click More Info, under the Model number & identifier?
Currently Being ModeratedDec 15, 2012 2:18 PM (in response to Glen Doggett)
It is a PowerMac 3.1. CPU type powerPC G4 (2.8). If it is a cable select, do both hd's have to be set to cable select? Also we have the option of master, slave, or cable select under 16 heads, 15 heads, 32 gb clip, or auto-spin disable. Thank you!
Currently Being ModeratedDec 15, 2012 6:00 PM (in response to slstaer)
Hi, that's one of the 2 "AGP" G4's, doesn't use Cable Select...
And has a 128 GB limit for Disk size.
Currently Being ModeratedDec 15, 2012 6:43 PM (in response to BDAqua)
BDAqua, just made a very good post on the hard drives with the G5 when reading into it. When you go to Standard Hard Drive: > and click on Int. HD Interface
Can officially support two Ultra ATA/66 hard drives on the original bus (more drives can be supported with a third-party controller PCI card) -- "drives larger than 128 GB are not natively supported"
I've actually set up a hard drive on a Mac that wasn't suppose to be supported with the size of it, "as a single hard drive", these computers can be weird or the documentation wrong at times. But if you have everything set up properly and the secondary hard drive not working. It's likely the 128 GB limit for a slave drive?
Interesting to see in the link the price of $3499
Currently Being ModeratedDec 15, 2012 9:53 PM (in response to Jacumba)
Oh, And you can setup a larger one on them, but when you try to write/read something past the 128 GB limit, all heck will break loose, but will seem to work fine before that!
Currently Being ModeratedDec 16, 2012 1:30 PM (in response to slstaer)
Here's a way to get the files. Remove the HD. Buy one of these adapters
Then plug the adapter into another Mac.
I got one of the adapters to get the files off of a non-op laptop.
Troubleshooting: My computer won't turn on
Resetting the Logic Board
Resetting the logic board can resolve many system problems. Whenever you have a
unit that fails to power up, you should follow this procedure
before replacing any modules.
1 Unplug the computer.
2 Press the Power On button on the front of the unit.
3 Open the side access panel.
4 Remove the battery from the logic board.
5 Wait at least 10 minutes before replacing the battery.
6 Make sure the battery is installed in the correct +/-
7 Reassemble the computer and test the unit.
Currently Being ModeratedDec 17, 2012 5:13 AM (in response to Jacumba)
The "master" drive is ~20 gb and the one we are trying to put in is ~60 gb. It doesn't seem like it is the 128 gb disk size problem. Does someone know which option we should set the "master" and "slave" jumpers under: 16 heads, 15 heads, 32 gb clip, or auto-spin disable?
We may have to buy the bare drive adapter, but we're trying to avoid spending any more money on this.
Currently Being ModeratedDec 17, 2012 11:50 AM (in response to slstaer)
For the normal 16 head use...
Master = GH & AB
Slave = CD & AB
But it seems to have another setting, which appears to be same as Master with Slave on other drives...
Slave present = GH & EF