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Best Cloud Storage for iPhoto backup?

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  • Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (121,640 points)
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    Nov 6, 2012 1:59 AM (in response to sabih.ahmed)

    Perhaps you should read the thread... An iPhoto Library can quckly reach sizes of hundreds of gigabytes, and we regularly see people on here complaining that restoring from such services can take days...

  • sabih.ahmed Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Nov 6, 2012 2:00 AM (in response to Terence Devlin)

    I agree!

  • Pinksteady Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Nov 10, 2012 3:24 PM (in response to saymay)

    I migrated from iPhoto to Google's Picasa for this reason. For hardly any money of Google storage, I can sync my entire photo collection, sorted and categorised using the Picasa Mac app, to the web. Any album can then be shared with friends and family etc. I use a decent 3rd party Picasa app on the phone to view any album at any time, and any can be then synced offline to the phone if desired. I can create albums on the phone and upload direct to Picasa, which then syncs back down to my Mac. It works really well, I can't see any need to go back to iPhoto.

  • Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (121,640 points)
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    Nov 11, 2012 12:04 AM (in response to Pinksteady)

    That's backing up your photos online, and that's very important. I use SmugMug for the same job. Others use services lik Flickr and, yes Picasa, from iPhoto too. But that's not backing up your Library - versions, edit history etc etc etc.

  • Nick Elliman Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Dec 7, 2012 2:44 AM (in response to Terence Devlin)

    Ideally I'd like something that works Like Picassa from Google - I tried using when I switched to Apple and iPhoto but due to the way iPhoto stores phots (badly) ended up with a total mess of photos in Picassa as it can't read the database files that make sense of the disorgansied file structe iPhoto creates.

  • Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (121,640 points)
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    Dec 7, 2012 3:07 AM (in response to Nick Elliman)

    Then why not use Picasa from Google? But remember that's not backing up your Library either, that's just backing up photos.

     

    And no, there's no mess in how iPhoto stores the Photos at all. The fact that you - ot google, apparently - donn't understand it means just that - you don't understand it. But if you do, then it's not only logical but really very clever.

     

    Here's a hint though: It's about Photos and not Files. You'll always have issues until you grasp that distinction.

     

    Regards

     

     

    TD

  • linninaround Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Dec 16, 2012 10:33 AM (in response to saymay)

    Why not just use a true backup service like Crashplan? Unlimited space, way more secure than the other alternatives listed here and cheap. Plus you can backup more than just your photos.

  • LarryHN Level 9 Level 9 (54,810 points)
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    Dec 16, 2012 2:13 PM (in response to Nick Elliman)

    Correct - Picassa can not access the iPhoto library - just like any photo manager you need to exprot form iPhoto and then use the photos the way the new photo manager suggests

     

    Direct access to the iPhoto library is not supported and is noever a good idea

     

    That is not a problem with iPhoto - it is your problem because you are misusing the iPhoto library - if you use it correctly as supported it is just hunky dory

     

    LN

  • robcrawford Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Dec 21, 2012 6:53 AM (in response to LarryHN)

    LarryHN wrote:

     

    That is not a problem with iPhoto - it is your problem because you are misusing the iPhoto library - if you use it correctly as supported it is just hunky dory

    I would suggest that it is a problem with iPhoto.  Using a massive database (in relation to the actual number / size of photos in the library) that apparently needs to reside only on an OS X filesystem seems unnecessarily complex.

     

    For example, I have one iPhoto library that consists of just under 10,000 photos (~40GB). The database folder contains many hundreds of files in dozens of sub-folders and is over 400MB in size.

     

    The whole thing seems pretty unwieldy and, as TD explains, pretty unsuitable for syncing even incremental backups using Dropbox.

  • Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (121,640 points)
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    Dec 21, 2012 7:35 AM (in response to robcrawford)

    If that's a problem with iPhoto, then it's the same problem with all the competitors too. The point whether you use iPhoto, Picasa, Aperture, Lightroom or whatever, the libraries get very large and complex - and don't be fooled by seemingly "uncomplicated" nature of a Picasa library. It's library looks less complicated only because it had set all those back up files to be invisible in the Finder, that's all.

     

    Simply, there is no way to have a photo library for an app that uses lots of metadata, has versioning and so on that isn't complicated.

     

    Regards

     

     

    TD

  • robcrawford Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Dec 21, 2012 7:59 AM (in response to Terence Devlin)

    I'm not overly familiar with other apps; iPhoto is the one I use most often.  Sadly, every iteration of the app gets slower and slower and I suspect that the complexity and size of the database is chiefly responsible.

  • Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (121,640 points)
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    Dec 21, 2012 8:07 AM (in response to robcrawford)

    Sadly, every iteration of the app gets slower and slower and I suspect that the complexity and size of the database is chiefly responsible.

     

    That's not my experience I have to say, I find it snappy as ever - though unsurprisingly a 45k library will take a little longer to open than a 5k one - but we're talking seconds here.

     

    Performance issues are a pain to troubleshoot as there are so many variables: What mac? What processor? How much Ram? How much free space on the HD? What version of the OS? What version of the App? How many items? How many smart items and so on.

     

    Regards

     

     

    TD

  • Mindbend Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Dec 30, 2012 10:19 PM (in response to saymay)

    I had used BackBlaze for a year. Love how easy it is to use. The only reason I switched from BB is because I came to realize that your backups are not permanent archives. In other words, if you delete your local file, eventually it will be deleted on BB servers. At least that's my understanding.

     

    I switched to Crashplan because backups are true archives. As long as you keep paying them their very reasonable annual fee, all your files are there forever.

     

    For Restore operations, BackBlaze gives you the option of mailing you a hard drive. Crashplan does not. For my purposes, I don't mind not having that option because I have Time Machine backup as well. Basically my house would have to burn down for me to lose everything. If that happens, it's the least of my worries to wait for several days for my Restores.

     

    Having said that, what I really would prefer is that CP had a service for mailing a Restore HD or that BB had the option for permanent archive.

     

    I researched Carbonite and there was some deal breaker for me with their service, but I can't recall what it was.

     

    DropBox is awesome, but you really start to pay cash when you get into the storage space required for larger photo libraries. Much more costly than typical cloud backup services. Plus, I don't know how DB handles iPhoto library changes. I suspect it wouldn't be good. Crashplan and Backblaze are smart enough to just upload the sub-files in the Library package when you make changes. So you can have a giant iPhoto library, add a few keywords and those services will just upload the few KB or MB of data, not the GB or TB of data for the entire library.

     

    I'm really hoping Apple offers a full cloud backup service instead of this watered down BS they have now. I want my entire photo library backed up online in the simplest way possible and I'll pay a reasonable fee for that service.

     

    Google's Picasa is certainly full featured enough, but god that interface is a mess. It really feels like half-baked software. If they can get that app polished up a bit more I might switch to it, though only if there's an easy way to import my existing iPhoto structure.

  • IngeGil Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Apr 11, 2013 4:09 PM (in response to saymay)

    SayMay did you find a solution? Having the same issue and finding all the options confusing.

  • Pinksteady Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Apr 12, 2013 8:27 AM (in response to IngeGil)

    It is possible to use a NAS box to store your iPhoto library and backup to Crashplan from there, providing resilient local and off-site backups fairly easily.

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