Currently Being ModeratedDec 27, 2012 1:58 PM (in response to netniks)
I hope they add this functionality back. Every other app in OS X has the title bar, as well as the "global" option for double clicking to minimize. Every 3rd party application has this as well.
Extremely bad move on Apples part. I'm shocked they haven't fixed this is 11.0.1 either - they delayed the release further to "do it right" and they still missed the boat.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 2, 2013 6:48 PM (in response to netniks)
I'm just curious... Does Apple actually read these posts? Because this seems like a problem that should be addressed. I've contacted Apple customer service about a variety of issues over the years and nothing ever gets resolved. (Unless something's broken, like a powercord. They're pretty good about replacing those without issue.)
Anyway, I double click that stupid itunes titlebar every single day out of habit. Until I realize, yet again, that itunes decided to get creative with their UX.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 2, 2013 7:30 PM (in response to laurenjung1)
I'm just curious... Does Apple actually read these posts?
Some may do so but don't expect Apple to post/reply here..
This is a user-to-user forum
Suggestions here -> http://www.apple.com/feedback/
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 2, 2013 7:41 PM (in response to Chris CA)
Oh thank you Chris, that's very helpful! I've never tried feedback before... I usually go straight to the Customer Service line because these forums don't usually have too many answers. But now I know what to expect!
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 4, 2013 10:24 PM (in response to netniks)
Hey, guys. Sounds like you might be in full screen mode, maybe? If that's the case, there are two ways to deal with that.
The first is to use the window toggle keys (command+tab) and hit the tab key while keeping the command key down until you land on the window/application you want.
The second is to exit the full screen mode by opening your iTunes window, then press command+shift+f and see if that doesn't shrink your window so it functions like any other window.
Hope this helps! :]
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 4, 2013 10:52 PM (in response to Veirna)
If you are in full screen mode, you will not see the menu bar until you move the mouse to the top of the screen.
To exit full screen mode, move the mouse to the top of the screen until you see the menu bar then click the inward pointing blue arrows on the right side of the menu bar.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 4, 2013 11:11 PM (in response to Chris CA)
Hotkeys completely bypass the need for any point-and-click methods, which is what ^⌘f is supposed to do. It would seem that this particular combination doesn't work in this version, though, even though it shows it's supposed to next to the exit/enter full screen mode under the view menu. Instead, it looks like ^⌘f does the same thing as ⌘f in iTunes 11 at the moment... I never noticed until now since my window was out of fullscreen since I updated from 10.something a while back.
As for the "inward pointing blue arrows on the right side of the menu bar," yes, that is another way to do it. Both Windows OS and OS X usually have a multitude of ways to do the same thing, I'm assuming in case one of the other ways doesn't work for a number of reasons.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 5, 2013 7:27 AM (in response to Veirna)
we're not talking about full-screen vs not here, it's the minimization function we're discussing.
it remains broken, and like H Man, i find myself double-clicking to minimize pretty regularly. sure wish apple would address this.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 5, 2013 1:40 PM (in response to netniks)
John Gruber says that removal of the double-click title bar minimization is more than likely by design by the iTunes 11 team. It's not proof that Apple is taking a feature away from its users, rather, I think it says something about where the heads of its programmers are at. Modal windows, if I'm using the term correctly, are the norm in OS X, but not so in iOS. If Apple wants to move in the direction of modal-less windows on the Mac, then they will start by knocking off applications one by one until they have converted us all to Mac users married to a Home button. I can't say if that's good or bad, but I would like to have the Home button before they start killing off modal windows.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 11, 2013 5:41 PM (in response to codydhorner)
I emailed him when I first noticed the change in iTunes 11, so all I have is his response. I asked if he thought the change was "a feature or a bug?", and he replied that he thought it was "by design." It was a pretty short exchange, without any elaboration.
I'm grousing about such a minor thing, almost in spite of the stellar products that Apple makes. iTunes changed the entire music industry, and opened up a world of music that I probably wouldn't have otherwise had any exposure to. I guess that I'm ok with Apple taking off after a wild hare every now and then, as removal of the double-click title bar minimization is a pretty mild transgression in the grand scheme of things.
I don't know if there's anything to Apple going for non-modal windows in OS X. It was just speculation on my part. One has to wonder, however, how OS X and iOS might one day converge. When all the innovations are being generated by the iOS team, and OS X users are begging for its sibling's features, then it might become easier for Apple to stray further from a mouse-controlled interface. Even though I think that the Magic Mouse is the best mouse ever to come out of Cupertino, I think that Apple wouldn't mind just shipping trackpads with its Macs nowadays. Ironically, if there's any company that I think would love to be responsible for killing off the mouse, it would be Apple.