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1304 Views 60 Replies Latest reply: Apr 13, 2006 7:49 AM by Ernie Stamper RSS
  • Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,440 points)
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    Apr 4, 2006 1:58 PM (in response to misterioso270)
    The computer can handle moving many, many messages, so I wouldn't worry, except where temporary files might run out space.

    The copy, before removal of leftover files will be of little continuing interest, would think, but I thought you might need a fresh backup before much shuffling.

    Also, please report on your thoughts for the value of keeping Panther mailboxes, unless still running Panther on a Mac?

    If the mailboxes in the Mailboxes folder resulted from some Import activity, then I understand their names, but I would not keep them around long, but instead move their messages to other, more appropriately named New Mailboxes.

    Whether you take messages that you would once have kept in the Inbox to another mailbox, or simply move to the new Inbox, is up to you.

    If you have the external disk drive, then just periodically make a copy of the Mail folder, AND the com.apple.mail.plist file from Home/Library/Preferences, and you could restore that Mail folder at any time..

    Btw, I have one mailbox that is over 600 MB and about 10,000 messages, so Mail can handle a lot.

    Ernie
    PowerMac G5 Dual 2.5, iBook, and QS G4 867, Mac OS X (10.4.6)
  • Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,440 points)
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    Apr 4, 2006 2:33 PM (in response to misterioso270)
    You only need the mbox files, UNTIL the conversion is complete. Later, if you have xxxx.mbox folder structured for Tiger, you do not need the mbox file, but rather the Messages folder. In such a case you import the xxxx.mbox as type OSX.

    If you think you are missing some messages, you import the mbox again, and search for the missing messages. You would do this by creating a folder xxxx on your Desktop, and then placing the mbox within the xxxx folder. Next you would rename the xxxx folder to be xxxx.mbox, and then Import that into Mail, as type Other.

    I am now going to post some general info, some of which may repeat some things I have already told you:

    In a pre-conversion to Tiger mailbox, the only file that really mattered, in regard to message content, was the file "mbox". In a mailbox properly created and established in Tiger, the only thing that really matters is the folder named Messages.

    Thus, if you are able to compare the size of both the mbox file and the Messages folder, at the time of conversion (a mailbox trying to have it both ways), and they are approximately the same size, then you can reasonably conclude everything was converted. There are some very minor exceptions to this comparative analysis, but it basically holds.

    If you have a copy of a xxxxx.mbox folder with only a mbox file, or if any mbox file it contains is much larger than any Messages folder present, then it may worth trying an import command to check. If you make a new folder on your Desktop, for example, and then place the mbox file from a copy of the original mailbox into the folder, subsequently rename the folder to have the extension, .mbox, you can then import it into Mail 2.0, by targeting it, and saying it is a mailbox of type "Other" rather than type "OSX". If you do this, one at a time to avoid confusion, you can then access the imported mailbox, examine the messages, and transfer any you believe you need. At the same time, if you maintain the currently in-use mailbox, now altered to only have a Messages folder, you will have that to access as well.

    If mailboxes in account folders do not convert properly during the upgrade to Tiger, then you don't use Import to recreate any mailboxes found in account folders, but rather only import to be added as On My Mac mailboxes.

    I hope this is somewhat clear.

    Ernie
    PowerMac G5 Dual 2.5, iBook, and QS G4 867, Mac OS X (10.4.6)
  • Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,440 points)
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    Apr 4, 2006 3:05 PM (in response to misterioso270)
    Delete files first -- otherwise indexing problem may arise as you move things around.
    PowerMac G5 Dual 2.5, iBook, and QS G4 867, Mac OS X (10.4.6)
  • Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,440 points)
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    Apr 4, 2006 7:47 PM (in response to misterioso270)
    I have not actually found the Info.plist that it says not to delete, but in fact you do not have to delete any of the Info.plist files. However, as you have discerned, it is safe to delete any Info.plist within a xxxx.mbox folder.

    All the best.

    Ernie
    PowerMac G5 Dual 2.5, iBook, and QS G4 867, Mac OS X (10.4.6)
  • Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,440 points)
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    Apr 5, 2006 4:15 AM (in response to misterioso270)
    As I understood your visit to the Apple Store, the Entourage mailbox was one attempt at importing? I would presume it is duplicative of the other info? Why not "park it" on your external, but remove from your Mail folder?

    Get rid of "content_index, content_index-(null)-261, content_index-(null)-263, etc.." The last two were some incomplete pass at indexing, and all are of no use in Tiger.

    Ernie
    PowerMac G5 Dual 2.5, iBook, and QS G4 867, Mac OS X (10.4.6)
  • Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,440 points)
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    Apr 5, 2006 8:03 AM (in response to misterioso270)
    The limit suggested is not number of messages, but around 2 GB per mailbox. I would suggest resolving and eliminating duplicates as soon as possible, particularly if large attachments are involved.

    If you sort a new mailbox on Subject, it would seem duplicates would be quite easy to spot.

    I would not expect 30 messages to cause any message that it could not be done, unless short of disk space for temporary files -- how much do you now have free?

    Ernie
    PowerMac G5 Dual 2.5, iBook, and QS G4 867, Mac OS X (10.4.6)
  • Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,440 points)
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    Apr 5, 2006 8:18 AM (in response to misterioso270)
    Using the Finder and Get Info is the only way to check mailbox size in Tiger.

    You may be needing to re-index everything, with all this moving of messages, and refusal of Mail to move large groups of Messages.

    Quit Mail, and in the Finder, open Home/Library/Mail and locate the Envelope Index file -- delete it, or drag it to the Desktop. The launch Mail, which will inform you that it is ready to import all mailboxes -- allow this to continue, until Done. In your situation, it is really only re-indexing all the mailboxes, but not a bad idea with all your changes.

    Ernie
    PowerMac G5 Dual 2.5, iBook, and QS G4 867, Mac OS X (10.4.6)
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