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What are your thoughts on the New iTunes 11?

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  • CallMeBenGeorge Calculating status...
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    Dec 27, 2012 6:45 PM (in response to Mark Block)

    Mark Block wrote:

     

    ...Apparently the Gapless tag had nothing to do with enabling Gapless Playback, in spite of the name; all it did was prevent crossfading from track to track on gapless albums (if you had the Crossfade option checked in Preferences). This is all handled automatically now, as it should have been all along. In other words, iTunes 11 corrected a long-running stupidity of previous iTunes versions. I can confirm that gapless albums still play properly in iTunes 11...

     

    For me, gapless playback works fine for any continuous albums purchased in the iTunes store, whether they are recent purchases or previous purchases downloaded from the Cloud. To its credit, iTunes 11 seems to be able to detect the need for gapless playback in these files.

     

    But songs/albums that I added to my library from CD's eons ago no longer play correctly. For any album that required gapless playback, I only had to click a checkbox once, and then I never had to think about it again - I just listened to my music. That is, until iTunes 11 came along. In fact, after installing iTunes 11, it took me a while to figure out what all the albums that do not play correctly have in common, viz., that they were all originally downloaded from CD.

     

    Which really just begs the question: why get rid of it? I get that Apple wants to improve the software by auto-detecting the need for gapless playback and make the manual setting unnecessary. But they were free to do that while keeping the Gapless checkbox setting.

     

    In my opinion, the SOLE reason to do away with the feature is precisely because it doesn't work for any files not purchased from Apple. That is, Apple is trying to drive new sales in the iTunes Store and in subscriptions to iTunes Match, and I think that's a pretty sleazy tactic.

  • Mark Block Level 2 Level 2 (270 points)
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    Dec 27, 2012 8:34 PM (in response to CallMeBenGeorge)

    CallMeBenGeorge wrote:

     

    Mark Block wrote:

     

    ...Apparently the Gapless tag had nothing to do with enabling Gapless Playback, in spite of the name; all it did was prevent crossfading from track to track on gapless albums (if you had the Crossfade option checked in Preferences). This is all handled automatically now, as it should have been all along. In other words, iTunes 11 corrected a long-running stupidity of previous iTunes versions. I can confirm that gapless albums still play properly in iTunes 11...

     

    For me, gapless playback works fine for any continuous albums purchased in the iTunes store, whether they are recent purchases or previous purchases downloaded from the Cloud. To its credit, iTunes 11 seems to be able to detect the need for gapless playback in these files.

     

    But songs/albums that I added to my library from CD's eons ago no longer play correctly. For any album that required gapless playback, I only had to click a checkbox once, and then I never had to think about it again - I just listened to my music. That is, until iTunes 11 came along. In fact, after installing iTunes 11, it took me a while to figure out what all the albums that do not play correctly have in common, viz., that they were all originally downloaded from CD....

    That's not the case for my albums. Before I posted originally, I checked a few live albums ripped from CD to make sure that they did play correctly (no gaps). Just now I checked again with about a dozen live albums, and only one didn't play correctly: an album I dowloaded directly from the artist's website. All the albums that I ripped from CD with iTunes, and the albums bought from Apple, and the high bitrate live albums I bought from HD Tracks do play correctly for me. I don't know what's going on "under the hood" to make my live CD rips play fine for me, while yours don't. I'd love to help figure this out.

  • iTunesDJ Calculating status...
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    Dec 28, 2012 2:53 PM (in response to Porf)

    iTunes 11 poll ends

     

    With over 1,300 votes from iLounge readers, our most recent poll—“What is your favorite new feature in iTunes 11?”—has ended. Readers were asked what feature they liked most—if any—about Apple’s latest iTunes release.

     

    A significant 48 percent of respondents indicated that they didn’t care for any of the new features and don’t like iTunes 11 at all. Among the remaining responses, 26 percent liked the new user interface in general, 13 percent preferred the Up Next play queuing feature, five percent leaned toward iTunes in the Cloud integration, and four percent specifically liked the new Mini Player interface. Two percent of readers indicated camera-based gift card redemption as their fave new feature, while a handful indicated a preference for the addition of a Home Videos category and Live Search, coming in at one percent apiece.

     

    Link: http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/itunes-11-poll-ends-apple-in-2013 -poll-begins/

  • TPerhai Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Dec 28, 2012 9:48 PM (in response to Porf)

    48% did not like iTunes 11 at all...hmmmm... that is almost half of pollsters. How must Apple stubbronly retain a program that ends up getting thumbs down by almost half the sample base? Some folks who I have argued about iTunes 11 with say "Just deal with it, that's the way it's gonna be." They point to statistics, demographics, market share. I hate to think that I'm getting out of touch with the times, but I still think iTunes 11 was built upon the wrong ideas. We'll see what happens, but in the meantime, I'm going to continue to use iTunes 10.7.

  • woodmeister50 Level 4 Level 4 (3,690 points)
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    Dec 29, 2012 3:18 AM (in response to TPerhai)

    TPerhai wrote:

     

    ..... I hate to think that I'm getting out of touch with the times, but I still think iTunes 11 was built upon the wrong ideas. ....

    The lack of having multiple windows open to work with

    is definately one of those bad ideas.  Makes many tasks

    much more tedious, time consuming and awkward.

     

    The single "pane" approach works when dealing with devices

    with limited screen real estate (iPhones, iPods, etc.) but becomes

    extremely limiting on real computers.

  • Bernard Knight Calculating status...
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    Dec 29, 2012 6:25 PM (in response to woodmeister50)

    @ woodmeister50

     

    Absolutly. It seems crass to dumb down an application to make it run as they want it on the lowest common denominator of device. Perhaps Apples' strategy is to move away from desktops. It would seem counterintuitive but not beyond the realms of possibility. If that is the case, to my mind there would be no point in buying Apple products as I am not intrested in the toys. To be short and brutal, for me iOS and OS need to be kept separate.

     

    If I can't have a decentlty operating desktop model, then I'll sadly have to go elsewhere.

     

    Very sadly as I have used them since 1991.

     

    Having said that, now using the new version for a while, it is not quite as bad as first impressions. However;

    - not having the ability to spawn extra windows is just plain stupid

    - lackof control over "gapless alblums" is equally so.

    - no artwork in the "songs' veiw boggles belief

     

    This is an edition for the "buy one-off's" from iTunes generation & I don't care about how my collection looks. Some of us do care, we have been caring from the days that albulms had covers & art.

     

    I think Apple now sees us non-iOS users as an irrelevance as we are not going to blindly buy from the iTunes store which is the raison d'être for the whole thing. This downgrading will be rolled out over the whole product range. Be warned.

  • CKyaw Calculating status...
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    Dec 29, 2012 7:13 PM (in response to Bernard Knight)

    I totally agree with you!

    It's sad to see that Apple sees us as irrelevants.

  • MacPow75 Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
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    Dec 29, 2012 7:36 PM (in response to iTunesDJ)

    iTunesDJ wrote:

     

    A significant 48 percent of respondents indicated that they didn’t care for any of the new features and don’t like iTunes 11 at all.

     

    Where have I heard that 48% statistic before? Oh Yea, something Romney said at a fundraiser... let's see... maybe that's how Apple sees us!! Just write us off Apple!! We are just irrelevant... Harumph... I hope that Apple will remember where that Arrogance got Romney...

  • woodmeister50 Level 4 Level 4 (3,690 points)
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    Dec 30, 2012 3:05 AM (in response to Bernard Knight)

    Bernard Knight wrote:

    .....then I'll sadly have to go elsewhere.

     

    Only problem, Windows 8 is certainly even worse in

    the move toward the "unification" paradigm.  Linux

    is still too fragmented a community to deal with, but

    some major distributions are getting better.

     

    The sad fact is in the past,  the choice of Apple was because

    it was superior.  Now, it is becoming just the lesser of alll evils.

  • woodmeister50 Level 4 Level 4 (3,690 points)
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    Dec 30, 2012 3:09 AM (in response to iTunesDJ)

    iTunesDJ wrote:

     

    iTunes 11 poll ends

     

    With over 1,300 votes from iLounge readers, our most recent poll—“What is your favorite new feature in iTunes 11?”—has ended. Readers were asked what feature they liked most—if any—about Apple’s latest iTunes release.

     

    A significant 48 percent of respondents indicated that they didn’t care for any of the new features and don’t like iTunes 11 at all. Among the remaining responses, 26 percent liked the new user interface in general, 13 percent preferred the Up Next play queuing feature, five percent leaned toward iTunes in the Cloud integration, and four percent specifically liked the new Mini Player interface. Two percent of readers indicated camera-based gift card redemption as their fave new feature, while a handful indicated a preference for the addition of a Home Videos category and Live Search, coming in at one percent apiece.

     

    Link: http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/itunes-11-poll-ends-apple-in-2013 -poll-begins/

    Not only is the 48% signifigant, the fact that only 26% liked the new

    interface is even more sigifigant. 

  • rustyintegrale Level 1 Level 1 (60 points)
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    Dec 30, 2012 3:16 AM (in response to woodmeister50)


    Not only is the 48% signifigant, the fact that only 26% liked the new

    interface is even more sigifigant. 

    You can bet your life they'll still claim a success by citing the zillions of downloads made. I'm one of the 'zillions' but I've ditched it already and gone back to 10.7.

     

    If 48% also ditch it how will Apple ever know?

  • woodmeister50 Level 4 Level 4 (3,690 points)
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    Dec 30, 2012 10:08 AM (in response to rustyintegrale)

    rustyintegrale wrote:

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    You can bet your life they'll still claim a success by citing the zillions of downloads made. ...

    The biggest problems these days is success is measured by downloads.

    A lot of apps I am sure have a zillion downloads but after a few days

    the people never use the apps again or return to an older version.

     

    The only way Apple could really figure success is by how many folks are

    connecting to the iTunes Store and the versions vs. what has been downloaded.

    Even that may not be a good measure either because there are many people

    that use iTunes and never use the iTunes Store.  The real question though,

    do they really care anymore?

  • G. L. Calculating status...
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    Dec 30, 2012 1:24 PM (in response to Porf)

    I dislike this edition of itunes intensely!  Every aspect is more complicated.  After talking someone into going Apple, I had the embarassing experience of trying to explain itunes to them.  Ugh!

  • carto Calculating status...
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    Dec 30, 2012 3:33 PM (in response to rustyintegrale)

    Don't forget the auto install which has got to be a big surprise to many that did not want this new version!

  • carto Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Dec 30, 2012 4:03 PM (in response to Porf)

    The writing is on the wall.   Let us hope Apple mangement takes off their rose colored glasses and reads these posts.

     

    Is Cook going to be just as stubborn and stupid as John Sculley was with the company killing Newton, Macintosh “clones” and the PowerPC.  Will Cook double down on this horid software with almost 100% negitive response on here???

     

    Hey Apple, their only your die hard customers right?   Does your mangement even remember the bad days when a release like this would have killed Apple?  I do.  Please don't go backwards.  I don't ever want to see Apple stock at 19 3/4 again.

    http://news.cnet.com/2100-1001-202143.html

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