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Alternative to Mail (Mtn Lion)

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John Bonn Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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Jan 1, 2013 12:07 PM

As we enter 2013, I am desperate for an email program that will work like Mail did before Mountain Lion.


Mail 6.2 with OS 10.8.2 is a real disappointment - unreliable, constantly taking accounts offline, slow, etc etc.


Numerous problems as noted on this & other forums continue with no sign of help from Apple.


Would appreciate any suggestions/recommendations for an alternative program.






Mac Pro, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.2)
  • neartheredrocks Calculating status...
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    Jan 1, 2013 1:31 PM (in response to John Bonn)

    The best Mail alternatives are in my opinion Thunderbird (free) or Outlook (part of Office for Mac 2011 Home & Business, trial version available). Both are very good mail applications. Both can also be used as replacements for Contacts and Calendar, but I'm not sure how well contacts and appointments can be synchronized with iOS devices. 

  • neartheredrocks Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jan 1, 2013 7:48 PM (in response to John Bonn)

    Never heard of that. Doubt it.

  • David M Brewer Level 6 Level 6 (9,185 points)
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    Jan 1, 2013 10:11 PM (in response to John Bonn)

    John Bonn wrote:


    Thanks for the advice.


    Is it true that Thunderbird is withdrawing support for the Mac version?



    Mozilla no longer supports OS X 5.x, Leopard.

  • Incito Networks Calculating status...
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    Jan 2, 2013 5:51 AM (in response to John Bonn)

    Apple mail is still the best in my opinion. I would stick with it.


    Since upgrading to Mountain Lion I have had some problems too, mainly it becoming very slow. However by doing the following I seem to have eliminated most problems and mail is fast for me again :



    1) Close mail


    2) Using Terminal run this command:

    sqlite3 ~/Library/Mail/V2/MailData/Envelope\ Index vacuum;

    3) Move the following file somewhere else or delete it (I moved it in case :-) ):




    4) You are done restart mail and all good.


    Of course do a backup before doing all this.

    OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.2), Apple Mail 6.2
  • neartheredrocks Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jan 2, 2013 8:38 AM (in response to Incito Networks)

    Wow! That vacuum command certainly did speed up Mail on my computer! It also solved a months long problem that I had with attachments that would be visible in Mail. Thanks for the tip.


    Deleting (which is a folder, not a file), however, seems not to be necessary and a good idea since it deletes all individual Mail settings. I had it only moved aside and moved the original back and everything is fine.

  • Incito Networks Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Jan 2, 2013 5:25 PM (in response to John Bonn)

    I moved folder before running vacuum command in terminal.


    Also I did not bother to replace folder back so skipped your step 5 and everything is working great.


    My understanding is that folder is used by the new sandbox features of mountain lion and is not needed.


    Any other questions let me know. Let me know how it goes.

  • michaelfromkillygordon Calculating status...
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    Jan 28, 2013 5:32 PM (in response to Incito Networks)

    ok I found the vacuum command and did that but can not find Libraries/containers  anywhere. I am running Mac OS X, version 10.7.5 (It tells me my software is up to date) and Mail version 5.3 (up to date as well)


    I am on a MacBook Pro and since putting on Lion my mail has been very slow. I wanted to give this a try.


    Can you lay it out exactly where to find this library/containers file?



  • Anthony.Williams Calculating status...
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    Apr 24, 2013 9:51 AM (in response to John Bonn)

    WOW, I ran the script, but did not move/delete the file from Containers.  Made a fantastic difference.  Mail opened in a flash, the spinning beachball is no longer the baine of my life and so far accounts have not gone off line or mysteriously lost password settings from the smpt settings.   Let hope it stays like that.


    Thanks for the pointer to thins one, was ready to give up on Mail ant try another mail client.



  • cwebber1 Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
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    Jun 5, 2013 3:19 PM (in response to Anthony.Williams)

    What exactly is this command?  Does the OS use it (and if so, when?).


    It sounds like (maybe) it's a command to rebuild the indexes which point to your email.

    If that's what it does, I'm curious how things might have gotten screwed up to begin with.


    I've noticed that Mtn Lion Mail has so flaws that didn't exist in Snow Leopard.

    The one that cause me the biggest headache is the "Save As".  When you select a few emails, and then SaveAs RTF TEXT, in Mtn Lion they appear in your messages appear in  the RTF in random order.  I'm wondering if this Indexing has something to do with it.


    Just seems funny that there's this magic pill laying around, but Apple doesn't use it.

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