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Jan 2, 2013 5:50 PM in response to Caesar1948by John Galt,Caesar1948 wrote:
Okay, that does it. I'm joining the ranks of people who believe in the Mac's invulnerability. No more Norton, McAfee, Webroot, or Sophos. I'm goin' naked from now on till I see evidence that I need to install AV software. I just love the way my MacBook runs without it!
No knowledgeable person would characterize the Mac as "invulnerable" to anything. Apple's products are extremely popular and are likely to remain attractive targets for malice.
The fallacy is believing that third party software vendors such as the ones you named possess the knowledge to protect OS X against such attacks better than the engineers who developed it. There are many such vendors peddling solutions to problems that do not exist, at no risk whatsoever to themselves. It is also presumptuous to assume that Apple doesn't continuously seek ways to make OS X even more secure. Apple has much more at stake than the snake oil scam artists.
It is therefore a misapprehension to conclude that neglecting to install such junk amounts to "going naked". It's just not so.
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Jan 2, 2013 6:23 PM in response to Caesar1948by MadMacs0,Caesar1948 wrote:
Okay, that does it. I'm joining the ranks of people who believe in the Mac's invulnerability.
I'm not sure what about the comments I made about Webroot caused you to reach this conclusion, but it certainly isn't one I endorese. I currently have four A-V programs (five if you count Little Snitch) installed, but only LS is active all the time. The others are in reserve should I learn of any malware in the wild and arenused for various testing I need to do. I read several maleware blogs daily to stay up-to-date and my computing habits do not normally put me in harms way. I'm comfortable with this position and would encourage others to be comfortable with theirs. If that includes trading some preformance degredation for safety, then that's where they need to go.
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Jan 2, 2013 6:29 PM in response to spectra9by alicia_muench,Hey there,
I found MacKeeper to be pretty effective for me. You get a free trial. It keeps my Mac running fast and as it did when I first purchased it. Have a look here...
Hope this helps...Keep your mac safe
Cheers.
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Jan 2, 2013 6:31 PM in response to alicia_muenchby alicia_muench,And yes the Mac is vulnerable to a lot of things now. In the past, not so much. But now, people have got to know these devices. Better be safe than sorry. A mac is an expensive product. Might as well spend around $30 for a good protective software then spend another $2000 on a new computer only to be repeated again and again.
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Jan 2, 2013 6:32 PM in response to alicia_muenchby thomas_r.,I found MacKeeper to be pretty effective for me.
MacKeeper is crap. Have a look here:
Mac anti-virus detection rates
...and here:
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Jan 2, 2013 6:35 PM in response to alicia_muenchby Allan Eckert,Personnally I see MacKeeper as more dangerous then Norton.
It does nothing that can't be done by other utilities in a safer manner and for free.
I see it as good for one thing and one thing only and that is lining Zeobit's pockets with gold.
My recommendation on MacKeeper is to stay far, far away from it.
So far everyone who I have helped with Mac problems who had MacKeeper, the removal of MacKeeper immediately removed their problems.
Allan
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Jan 2, 2013 6:35 PM in response to alicia_muenchby stevejobsfan0123,No, it does not keep your Mac safe. It is something your Mac needs to be kept safe FROM. Plug in MacKeeper into this forum's search field and you will see. If you are actually a MacKeeper user, you should uninstall it.
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Jan 2, 2013 6:36 PM in response to thomas_r.by alicia_muench,Hello There,
No offense but that was just someone's blog...not a reliable source. You might as well just give MacKeeper a try. They do give you a chance to try it out. It worked for me. Have you ever tried MacKeeper?
Cheers.
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Jan 2, 2013 6:37 PM in response to alicia_muenchby MadMacs0,alicia_muench wrote:
I found MacKeeper to be pretty effective for me.
Over 90% of the users in this Forum would completely disagree with you. Unfortunately I can no longer test it or I'd give you some specifics from my point-of-view, but plenty of others have had nothing but trouble from using it and it apparently doesn't find most Mac malware, either.
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Jan 2, 2013 6:41 PM in response to alicia_muenchby Allan Eckert,After seeing what it does to Mac I have been called in to help with problems, I see no reason to inflict that kind of pain on myself. I mean you have to learn a little bit from helping others. It is crap and I don't need to run it on my Mac to know that.
Allan
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Jan 2, 2013 6:40 PM in response to alicia_muenchby MadMacs0,alicia_muench wrote:
No offense but that was just someone's blog...not a reliable source.
Actually, that was the author that pointed you to his blog and he is a recognized expert on Mac malware in this forum and other places. If you bothered to read the blog and look at the results you would know that his stands as the most comprehensive Mac malware testing that has been done to date.
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Jan 2, 2013 6:43 PM in response to MadMacs0by alicia_muench,I see we have reached a diagreement,
I realize that. If you dont feel MacKeeper is effective, so be it. Try something else. Obviously, you have had bad experiences with the software. If i like it, please dont make an attempt to change my mind on it.
Cheers.
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Jan 2, 2013 6:46 PM in response to alicia_muenchby Allan Eckert,I am truly sorry for you. You have my greatest sympathies.
Allan
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Jan 2, 2013 7:04 PM in response to alicia_muenchby thomas_r.,Have you ever tried MacKeeper?
As has been pointed out, that "unreliable source" is my own work, and yes, I did indeed test MacKeeper. I am guessing that you did not actually read the first link I gave you, which described the methods I used for testing a variety of anti-virus programs. I would also assume you did not see the results, which clearly showed that MacKeeper does not recognize the majority of currently-active Mac malware, and was one of the worst overall. If you believe that a blog is an unreliable source, you may note that the methods were supplied in detail as were links to the actual malware used for testing (for those who have access to the VirusTotal database), so the test can be repeated by anyone who cares to do so and who has the proper credentials to get access to the malware.
It is easy to believe that an anti-virus program is protecting you when there's not much malware to protect you against. You haven't gotten infected, but that's not because you have MacKeeper. It's because current Mac malware is quite rare and the OS itself does a quite good job of protecting you against it. See my Mac Malware Guide.
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Jan 2, 2013 7:04 PM in response to alicia_muenchby Jeff Kelleher,Alicia:
If you lile running MacKeeper, we're not going to change your mind. However, there are many good reasons to avoid it. As this is a forum for Mac users to help other Mac users, you should expect to see many people telling others to run away from Mac.Keeper.