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Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,455 points)
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Jan 3, 2013 8:51 AM

I am having trouble getting my head around the possible utility of using an External Video Editor.  I may be hampered by expectations, or maybe simple ignorance?

 

One example I can find reference to is MPEG Streamclip -- this wonderful Swiss Army Knife of video apps is a must many times for using video later in Final Cut.  I already use it to transcode video shot with my DSLR to Apple Pro Res 422.  But the way I have done it so far is to locate the imported Originals and drag them into a Batch list in MPEG, and then set it to converting the batch.  It seems if I were to invoke MPEG from within Aperture I will first get a duplicate file, and then could invoke the transcoding?  Extra steps and extra file space usage?

 

Trimming might be better Aperture to MPEG, roundtripped, but would still not yet have a file useful in Final Cut?

 

I have trimmed cute little videos in Aperture and directly uploaded them to Facebook, but not that useful beyond short and cute kid videos.

 

So what, if any, external video editors have you used, or seen reported to be used, and for what tasks?  Color correction would be a great purpose, but how to do?

 

Ernie

  • léonie Level 8 Level 8 (46,510 points)
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    Jan 3, 2013 4:34 PM (in response to Ernie Stamper)

    Hi Ernie,

    I have a very different video workflow from you, so I probably cannot help much.

    Many of my videos are not taken with a camera, but rendered by a ray tracer or other graphics animation programs, and so they are not clearly linked to photos.

     

    I rarely do any video editing in Aperture. I import the videos first to iMovie or Final Cut to trim them and stabilize them, and to make basic preprocessing. And then I run space saver in iMovie to get rid of 99% of the clips. To Aperture I only import the clips (trimmed and stabilized) that I want to add to slide shows. All other video is stored in the iMovie library.

     

    The only external video editor I use from Aperture is Quicktime 7 to set basic Quicktime properties, like flipping or rotating the video or loop it. Another tool I frequently use is Quartz Composer for graphics compositions.

     

    Regards

    Léonie

     

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  • Michigan One Fly Level 2 Level 2 (240 points)
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    Jan 4, 2013 7:33 PM (in response to Ernie Stamper)

    Ernie,

    You don't mention which version of Final Cut you are using. If you have FCPX things g=have gooten a lot easier for workflows.

    I use Aperture and Final Cut Pro X.

    Any AVCHD video gets imported into FCPX, during the import it is transcoded to Pro Res.  For DSLR h.264 I can bring it into Aperture first or I can exclude video and then import it right into FCPX and it can be transcoded to Pro Ress if I choose, but I normally select proxy and then switxh back to original for output. During the import I can set in and out points for each clip and save a lot of disk space.

    FCPX and Aperture play very well together and I no longer use MPEG.  If I need to convert I use Quicktime Pro 7.

  • Michigan One Fly Level 2 Level 2 (240 points)
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    Jan 5, 2013 5:47 PM (in response to Ernie Stamper)

    Ernie,

    I have exported directly to YouTube and I may have gone directly to Vimeo also, but that is not my typical work flow.  I normally share as a master file.  Which would be a full Pro Ress version of the movie. This Master can then be converted to whatever I require or dropped right into iDVD or Toast.   I  use QT 7 Pro to convert for Vimeo or YouTube or whatever I need. 

    Early on there was a lot if issues with passwords when sharing directly to Vimeo, that may have been resolved, but like I said that is not my typical workflow.Screen Shot 2013-01-05 at 8.20.29 PM.png

    Above is a screen shot of FCPX .  Note the photo browser is looking at Aperture and 2 of the thumbs are video. (The image may be too small to see the detail but is can be expaned by clicking on it).  FCPX actually uses the previews for stills, so there is no need to rescale the large DSLR files down to 1920x1080 or anything like that.  But the preview preference needs to be 1920 x 1080 or a little more  for good quality results using the stills.

     

    From a interface standpoint FCPX is very different than FCP 7, it's more like iMovie.  I think you will find that the FCPX forum is very much like the Aperture forum in that there are some very good resources and they respond very quickly to questions.

     

    I hope this helps.

     

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  • Michigan One Fly Level 2 Level 2 (240 points)
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    Jan 5, 2013 5:53 PM (in response to Ernie Stamper)

    Ernie,

    I took a look at the video you posted the link to.  The muticam feature in FCPX would work very well for syncing and editing footage like this where mutipule cameras are used. 

  • Kirby Krieger Level 6 Level 6 (11,570 points)
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    Jan 6, 2013 11:58 AM (in response to Ernie Stamper)

    Hi Ernie,

     

    I have little to add, but thought it might still be useful.  I don't do _any_ video editing in Aperture.  I tried, and found it simply didn't meet my needs.  I do use Aperture to store and extract stills from video -- which is my main interaction with video.  If I need to transcode, I go to MPEG Streamclip, which is extremely useful.  Ditto with cropping video, and/or extracting video snippets.  I don't do this via the external editor feature.  I think I tried, got befuddled (this was before I had any understanding of the "pseudo-Master"), and have simply stuck with exporting and importing when needed.

     

    It would be interesting, and good, to know if the video workflow with an external editor is the same as the image workflow is.  Until I find out, I'm satisfied carrying my packages across the street.

     

    The only time I had to make a movie, I used iMovie.  My brain hurts still (it was like living for three weeks in a narrow five-story house that had no stairs and all the windows bore arcane locks).

  • Michigan One Fly Level 2 Level 2 (240 points)
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    Jan 6, 2013 11:58 AM (in response to Ernie Stamper)

    Erine,

    What you are describing is very similar to what I do when I tape woodturning demonstrations.  Camera A records the entire event, camera B does overhead, and camera C does close ups and audience shots.

     

    FCPX has worked very well for me when syncing these shots.  All of the cameras need decent audio and it helps if there are spikes in the audio to help with the sync.  It also helps if there is a pauses in the action so that the A camera can be stopped for a few seconds so that the footage is broken up into 3 or 4, or more, shorter segments.

     

    You can install FCP on a machine with FCP on it if you need to, see the sticky on the FCPX forum.

    There are some very good tutorials online and ebooks for a jump start on using FCPX. 

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