Currently Being ModeratedJan 10, 2013 2:38 AM (in response to Fully1967)
For All things TM... See Here > http://pondini.org/OSX/Home.html
Personally I prefer to have One dedicated Drive for TM and A seperate Drive for my Clone.
And a third Drive I backup to manually...
Doesn't do to have all your eggs in one basket.... and you can Never have Too Many Backups.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 10, 2013 2:41 AM (in response to Fully1967)
I take it you are running Moutain Lion? If you are you are not alone I have the same problem. Every time I try to do a TM backup of my Mt Lion partition, I have 3 versions of OS X installed on my MBP (Snow Leopard, Lion and Mt Lion), it always ends up doing a complete backup not just of the files that have changed and then it runs out of space on the external and fails.
I am surprised there are more posts about this as I think it is a Bug in the ML TM system.
I have no advice except to Wipe the Drive and Re-Install Clean/Clean. Clean/Clean meaning do not use the TM backup to replace anything on your system. Install ML then all your programs then copy over your data files from the Clone you made and do all your settings manually.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 10, 2013 2:55 AM (in response to Fully1967)
First of all - you'd be best served by having two external drives: at least one dedicated to Time Machine and at least one for use with Carbon Copy Cloner. I have two drives with alternating Time Machine backups and three external drive clones of my internal drive. It's a pretty safe bet that all five wouldn't fail at the same time.
That said, I'm not sure why you're having the problems... Time Machine should work just fine with a partitioned drive. You may want to look at Pondoni's Time Machine Troubleshooting FAQs - http://www.pondini.org/TM/Troubleshooting.html - and see if any are appicable to your particular situation.
Thanks for replying but it's not a using separate disks issue or amount of backups. I could do what you mention 100 times and still have the same problem if my internal hard drive went down and I restored to a new hard drive from a clone. In summary if your hard drive fails and you restore from a clone to a new hard drive it will not it will not recognise the time machine it was originally using. It's as if time machine uses hardware recognition when it should say use a checksum on particualr aspects of the OS that are unique after installing.
I have checked this on another mac apart from my powerbook using a dedicated hard drive for time machine. It is simply a case of OS and Time machine working in perfect sync. You move the OS to another hard drive and the connection is broken.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 10, 2013 3:14 AM (in response to Fully1967)
I don't think that I fully understand your problem. Let me see if I can summarize your setup.
- You have a MacBook Pro.
- You have one external hard drive, partitioned into 'two' drives.
- One of the partitions is used for a Time Machine backup of your internal drive.
- One of the partitions is used as a clone of your internal drive using Carbon Copy Cloner.
Is that correct?
I'm not sure what the problem is... are you trying to use the clone to backup to Time Machine?
Currently Being ModeratedJan 10, 2013 3:30 AM (in response to clintonfrombirmingham)
Yes that's the exact set up. I also tried just using a dedicated hard drive for time machine and problem still exists.
- Everything working fine both time machine backups and carbon copy cloner backups
- My hard drive fails that I am running Lion on.
- I restore my Lion operating system to a new internal hard drive using carbon copy cloner.
- I then plug in my external hard drive I'm using for time machine and its not recognised. Although the operating system is a perfect clone the time machine backup is now not in sync I presume because the the link being maintained between OS and time machine includes hardware recognition when it should work on recognition between unique aspects of OS and time machine.
Hope this clears it up - new hardware for OS after hard drive crash then no recogition between restored clone and time machine irrespective of how many backups or whether its partitioned or not.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 10, 2013 4:20 AM (in response to clintonfrombirmingham)
Yes, that may be it. Most people probably won't notice it because Mac's are so reliable. They run time machine and that's it. I only noticed the problem not because of a hard drive failure but because I upgraded the hard drive in my powerbook and it happened. It's easy to simulate (if you have a spare external hard drive) just make a clone to an external hard drive and boot from the clone then also plug in the external time machine and it will happen. It shouldn't though as the hard ware the OS is running from shouldn't be a factor it should be the OS that created it.
In conjunction with what you mention that makes me feel that could be it is that when you boot from a clone to test it you get some pop ups that ask for some info that settle soon. This I resolved to an extent by using root when running carbon copy cloner but still get a couple of configuration pop ups making me feel that yes a clone is more than adquate for restoring a hard drive failure but there are some things a clone does not pick up that make it see it as a different OS with regards to the OS to time machine relationship.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 10, 2013 11:36 AM (in response to Fully1967)
It sounds like you're trying to run a backup while booted from your mirror backup. If that is what you're doing, Time Machine is performing as designed. The mirror system is not the same as the original and should not be backed up at all. Back up only when booted as usual.