12 Replies Latest reply: Jan 11, 2013 6:12 AM by cpguru21
John S Heffernan Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

Been searching and trying things for a while but not having any luck. 

 

We are a small school and have been using a guest account and a shared folder that has a hierachical structure or teachers, then students for years for our elementary students.  Teachers have their own password protected folders (sharepoints).  However, there is a long standing bug that causes saves to fail under certain conditions when multiple instances of the same user are saving. 

I have not used network logins or networked home folders. So I want students on our mobile cart to start signing in and saving their files in their own folders.  I created my accounts and folders and created a share point for the student folders.  Client computers are bound to the server and DNS is setup correctly. 

 

I was able, after a lot of trial and error set up networked home directories.  But what I really want is for a network login to not use a full networked home folder but to use the laptop's local enviroment but automatically mount a student specific sharepoint that can share to if they want to. 

 

I get the shaking login if they use does not have a Home folder setup in the workgroup manager Home tab. I tried to manage the login item preferences on both a user basic but still can't get it to work.  Students can login to the file server manually by clicking on the server and logging in that way after they have logged into to a local client machine.  

 

Can users do a network login with a networked home folder.  If so, how to I associate the account and the folder? 

 

Thanks for any guidance on this...

 

John


Mac OS Server 10.6, Mac OS X (10.6.8)
  • 1. Re: network login without network home directory
    Jeff Kelleher Level 4 Level 4 (3,015 points)

    You may want to look into mobile homes.

  • 2. Re: network login without network home directory
    cpguru21 Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)

    "

    So I want students on our mobile cart to start signing in and saving their files in their own folders.  I created my accounts and folders and created a share point for the student folders.  Client computers are bound to the server and DNS is setup correctly.

     

    I was able, after a lot of trial and error set up networked home directories.  But what I really want is for a network login to not use a full networked home folder but to use the laptop's local environment but automatically mount a student specific sharepoint that can share to if they want to.

     

    "

     

    On the last point here, you can set mounts to automatically load when a user logs in.  You can even use an apple script to run , mount and log in to a share, when a user logs in.  What are using the home directories for?  I do not work in a school environment and don't use home folders, all my machines have local logins, which user and pass's coincide with their server logins, however I use a network accessible share(s) for users to store data on.

     

    Let me know if I missed the mark here.  Again I don't work in a school environment.

  • 3. Re: network login without network home directory
    John S Heffernan Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks for the replies, gentleman! 

     

    I don't think I want mobile/portable directories. 

     

    I came close to what I want by specifying /Users as a home diretories.  I created a sharepoint for all the student folders and used permissions to control access and who see what.  I used the student group to mount the share at login.  I also added the share to the dock automatically. 

     

    The only thing I could not do was to have the share display on the desktop no matter which computer they login to. Seems complex (editing fstab.hd) or using a script.  I am going to mess around with the latter. 

  • 4. Re: network login without network home directory
    Free Tibet Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    I think you need to create a mobile account that creates a local home folder at login but then NEVER syncs it...

    then you can easily use workgroup manager to specify any amount of mountable sharepoints...

    personally I don't know why you don't want network based home folders saves a lot of heart ache...

  • 5. Re: network login without network home directory
    John S Heffernan Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Maybe that would be cleaner but I was worried about the network load over older wireless access points. 

  • 6. Re: network login without network home directory
    Free Tibet Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    there won't be any if you don't sync

  • 7. Re: network login without network home directory
    John S Heffernan Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    If I go with networked home directories, I would keep things in synch and use not use mobile accounts.  These laptops do not go home so I don't see any advantage to using mobile accounts.    I do want the student's work kept on the servers.  The thought with using shares rather than full networked home directories was that some files can be kept locally.  It's also the model they use now and are trained on (except we use an open (r/w) shared guest account.  However, I think I will try using networked home directories and see how the performace actually is. I only have one class of 10 6th graders who will be doing this.  And really, if I think about it, what's the difference?   They would save all important files anyway.  Using networked home directories, they just won't know it, it's all done "behind their back."

     

    Plus, having the shares apppear on the desktop no matter where they login seems problematic.  Seems like that should be very easy to do.  I hope that has been addressed in 10.8 server.

  • 8. Re: network login without network home directory
    John S Heffernan Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    So taking the suggestion here, I went back to networked home folders.  I then remembered that I need students to use both 10.4 and 10.6 clients.  10.4 clients can not login.  I wonder if this is supposed to work.  The /library file is in the home folder, which I presume would not work for mixed versions of clients. 

  • 9. Re: network login without network home directory
    Free Tibet Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Oh Crap !

    10.4 is like 4 years past support ....

    you need to upgrade to at least 10.6.8 on all machines...

  • 10. Re: network login without network home directory
    John S Heffernan Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Yes, we are struggling along until our new building project refreshes all systems in 1.5 years.  I think I am going to have them long in manually via the finder after logging into the local student account.  I've learned a lot but I am spending much too much time on this.  It had given me some ideas on how I want to do file sharing in the new building with all 10.8 or highrt machines though I am not current on 10.8 server.

  • 11. Re: network login without network home directory
    John S Heffernan Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I ended up just using Finder to access their folders.  Network logins just don't seem to work in a mixed 10.4/10.6 client enviroment.  10.4 will not login with 10.6 folders either locally (/Users) or on a networked home directory. 

  • 12. Re: network login without network home directory
    cpguru21 Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)

    I use the manual setup.  For some users (who have a really hard time remembering how to connect) I set as a log in option and check off the remember password, so the drive mounts when they log in.

     

    On one of my servers I use a script to access a network samba share that auto logs in and mounts.  This one is used for NAS backup.

     

    Let me know if you would like to see a sample of the script.