6 Replies Latest reply: Jan 14, 2013 5:21 AM by Sorcerer1
Sorcerer1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I bought a secondhand iPhone 4S from a guy on Ebay here in the UK a couple of weeks ago and I'm well pleased with it. [1] It's obviously been well cared for and looked after and I have no qualms whatsoever about it being secondhand because the guy has obviously never abused it.

 

However, in the auction description he said the following:

 

"(Current OS version: iOS 6.0 (I didn't upgrade to latest as I read some issues with it - maybe okay now - I've not used this phone now for about 3 months as I've changed)"

 

and also:

 

"Note: I hate adding notes like this but need to make it clear that if purchased, please do not update the iOS version unless you are sure you are happy with your purchase. I will not address any issues caused by the OS upgrade (not saying there will be but it is currently functioning perfectly)"

 

As far as the seller from Ebay is concerned, yes, I am very happy with my purchase and have no reason to return it to him [1]. The phone is now telling me that an update to iOS 6.0.1 is available, so my question to you is, is it now safe to do that upgrade? Or will it break something that is currently functioning perfectly?

 

Thanks

[1] The only thing I am DESPERATELY unhappy with is the fact that this extremely expensive modern phone has no facility to receive SMS delivery reports when a text message is sent to another phone - a facility I've been using for many, many years on even the most basic of phones. Shame on you Apple!!


iPhone 4S, iOS 6
  • 1. Re: Is iOS 6.0.1 now stable and fully working? Should I update?
    diesel vdub Level 7 Level 7 (21,935 points)

    Sorcerer1 wrote:

     

    I bought a secondhand iPhone 4S from a guy on Ebay

    Generally a bad idea.  Most are hacked or jailbroken.

     

    Sorcerer1 wrote:

     

    The phone is now telling me that an update to iOS 6.0.1 is available, so my question to you is, is it now safe to do that upgrade? Or will it break something that is currently functioning perfectly?

    It has been "safe" to upgrade since iOS6 was released.  The assertion that it is not "safe" is extremely humorous.  As for it breaking something, upgrades do not break functionality.

     

    You are welcome to read through the forums to see the issues that others have experienced, keep in mind these forums are like a hospital emergency room.  The only people here are the ones with issues and those of use that choose to come here and help resolved those issues.

     

     

    Sorcerer1 wrote:

    The only thing I am DESPERATELY unhappy with is the fact that this extremely expensive modern phone has no facility to receive SMS delivery reports when a text message is sent to another phone - a facility I've been using for many, many years on even the most basic of phones.

    This has never been a feature of the iPhone.

     

    From the SMS Wikipedia page:

    Message delivery is "best effort", so there are no guarantees that a message will actually be delivered to its recipient, but delay or complete loss of a message is uncommon, typically affecting less than 5% of messages. Some providers allow users to request delivery reports, either via the SMS settings of most modern phones, or by prefixing each message with *0# or *N#. However, the exact meaning of confirmations varies from reaching the network, to being queued for sending, to being sent, to receiving a confirmation of receipt from the target device, and users are often not informed of the specific type of success being reported.

     

    In other words, take the issue up with your carrier and stop blaming Apple for the lack of a feature that has nothing to do with the device.

  • 2. Re: Is iOS 6.0.1 now stable and fully working? Should I update?
    Sorcerer1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    diesel vdub wrote:

     

    Sorcerer1 wrote:

     

    I bought a secondhand iPhone 4S from a guy on Ebay

    Generally a bad idea.  Most are hacked or jailbroken.

     

    Generally maybe, but not in this case. He bought directly from Apple shop in Manchester, so factory unlocked and no need to hack or jailbreak. Original purchase receipt present, screen protectors back and front applied in shop at purchase time, Phone has spent all its life in a Griffin 'Survivor' case and is pristine - it was also reset to factory state before I received it. In other words, the guy was not a crook and looked after the thing.

     

    Sorcerer1 wrote:

     

    The phone is now telling me that an update to iOS 6.0.1 is available, so my question to you is, is it now safe to do that upgrade? Or will it break something that is currently functioning perfectly?

    It has been "safe" to upgrade since iOS6 was released.  The assertion that it is not "safe" is extremely humorous.  As for it breaking something, upgrades do not break functionality.


    Upgrades/updates often break something, unintended though it may be. That is why wise people don't have automatic upgrades set and wait a month or so after an upgrade or update has been released - allow time for bugs to be ironed out.

     

    Sorcerer1 wrote:

    The only thing I am DESPERATELY unhappy with is the fact that this extremely expensive modern phone has no facility to receive SMS delivery reports when a text message is sent to another phone - a facility I've been using for many, many years on even the most basic of phones.

    This has never been a feature of the iPhone.

     

    I do believe you are correct. Had I known that earlier, I may well have chosen not to buy the iPhone.

     

    From the SMS Wikipedia page:

    Message delivery is "best effort", so there are no guarantees that a message will actually be delivered to its recipient, but delay or complete loss of a message is uncommon, typically affecting less than 5% of messages. Some providers allow users to request delivery reports, either via the SMS settings of most modern phones, or by prefixing each message with *0# or *N#. However, the exact meaning of confirmations varies from reaching the network, to being queued for sending, to being sent, to receiving a confirmation of receipt from the target device, and users are often not informed of the specific type of success being reported.

     

    In other words, take the issue up with your carrier and stop blaming Apple for the lack of a feature that has nothing to do with the device.

     

    My carrier provides the facility and I have used it successfully for many years, even on the most basic of phones. It is irrelevant that there is no industry standard for the meaning, or efficacy, of delivery reports. It must be a technically trivial matter for Apple to provide the facility to receive such reports on iPhones. It is not for Apple to decide on my behalf that they are of no use and so therefore they will not be catered for - that is for me to decide.

  • 3. Re: Is iOS 6.0.1 now stable and fully working? Should I update?
    imobl Level 4 Level 4 (3,555 points)

    If SMS delivery reports are that important, the iPhone may not be

    the best answer to fill your needs. While other phones/Os may provide

    this feature, iOS does not. It is up to you to decide what you

    will do in this situation.

  • 4. Re: Is iOS 6.0.1 now stable and fully working? Should I update?
    Sorcerer1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Rather than meekly accepting that the iPhone doesn't cater for SMS delivery reports, I feel that we should all be hassling Apple to include it as a matter of principle. Even the most basic of phones cater for it so there really is no technical reason why an iPhone should not. It really is not up to Apple to say that it doesn't work well so therefore we will not include it - the decision to use it or not, with all its inherent faults, should be mine, not Apple's.

     

    Anyway, we digress - the issue of delivery reports is not the purpose of this topic. Whether within these forums, or on the internet in general, I've read that quite a few people were having problems with iOS 6.0.1. The person I bought the phone from was sufficiently worried about it that he made it a condition of sale that the purchaser would not upgrade to 6.0.1 until they were happy with their purchase and he was quite clear that he would not deal with any problems arising from upgrading the OS to 6.0.1

     

    I need to know from people who are more knowledgeable about this than I am, are the bugs now ironed out and is it safe to upgrade to iOS 6.0.1 or will it unintentionally break something that is currently functioning correctly?

  • 5. Re: Is iOS 6.0.1 now stable and fully working? Should I update?
    diesel vdub Level 7 Level 7 (21,935 points)

    Sorcerer1 wrote:

     

    Rather than meekly accepting that the iPhone doesn't cater for SMS delivery reports, I feel that we should all be hassling Apple to include it as a matter of principle.

    And you are entitled to your opinion no matter how silly anyone else thinks it is.

    However, these user to user technical support forums are not the place for it.  If you want to provide feedback for Apple, do so via the appropriate method (e.g. the feedback pages).

     

     

    Sorcerer1 wrote:

     

    Whether within these forums, or on the internet in general, I've read that quite a few people were having problems with iOS 6.0.1.

    And that's all you'll ever find in forums.  People do not come here to post how great the new version is.  They come here because they have problems for the most part.  The rest of us are here because we like to help others.

     

    Unfortunately, using the fact that "everyone" in the forums is having issues to conclude that issues exists tends to annoy the crap out of those of us here to help.

    If you want to update, do so.

    If you do not want to update, do not.  No one is twisting your arm either way.

     

    Regardless of what you choose, pull your head out of your rear orrifice and get a clue.  Would you go to a hospital emergency room and come to the conclusion that everyone on the planet is sick?  I highly doubt so unless you are completely ignorant.  The same holds true for these forums or any other company's forums.

  • 6. Re: Is iOS 6.0.1 now stable and fully working? Should I update?
    Sorcerer1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Wow, aren't you a spitty little ***** cat 

     

    I was rather hoping for replies along the lines of, say, "Some people had problems with 'x' but the fix is this" or maybe "Some people were finding that 'y' didn't work properly after the upgrade but the workaround can be found here. Other than that, the upgrade works well and you can go ahead with it now."

     

    Since you seem incapable of helping and would rather just have a pop at me instead, I'll thank you to say no more in this thread.