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  • PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (27,450 points)
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    Jan 14, 2013 3:57 PM (in response to Number22)

    You hardly need to use Mail to type up your documents.

     

    For a start there is TextEdit, and lots of free alternatives such Bean, iText Express, NeoOffice, OpenOffice, AbiWord, GoogleDocs, Blaze, ZohoWriter, AjaxWriter, JDarkRoom, Writer, Writer.app, and LibreOffice if you want a different approach to Word Processing.

     

    There is a "reach for the nearest tool as a hammer" thinking here. You don't have to use Pages and there may be many good reasons to choose something else.

     

    It is frustrating that Windows users know nothing outside MsOffice but rabbit on about the enormous number of Applicatioms they could use, "If they wanted to". The same with Mac users and iWork. It is all like something out of the "French Tickler" sketch in Monty Python's Meaning of Life.

     

    Peter

  • Number22 Calculating status...
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    Jan 14, 2013 6:42 PM (in response to AKH1)

    Hi, AHH1:

     

    When I had problems with making corrections in a document I was typing in Pages, I became utterly frustrated as at that stage it would not accept my corrections and instead created some sort of sign language connected with small lines! 

     

    I later found out  that this is Pages Designers' new feature to give a you a second chance

    to reconsider any changes that you would want to make to correct your spelling and other errors in the document.

     

    So I quit Pages.  I opened up Thunderbird which is my e-mail application of choice, but you probably can do the same with any other e-mail program.  In the e-mail I selected "write to" and started typing up my document.

     

    When I needed to bring in a Picture to this document I opened the picture with Preview and then dragged this

    picture into my document.

     

    I then had Thunderbird check it for typos, and saved the document.

     

    When I had finished the document I copied its contents by first selecting all of it then hitting "Command" and "C" on my keyboard.

     

    I then opened a blank 8.5 x 11 template page in Pages, and pasted the copied stuff into it.

     

    Time saved about 2 hours of fighting the gimmickry in Pages.  You will also save yourself from frustration and any temptation to fix your document with a hammer!

     

    If you want you can still change fonts, etc. in that new Pages document, then go select the pulldown menu  by clicking "Untitled" at the top of the document, choose  "Rename" and enter your document name, then "Move To" in the same pulldown and enter where you want it saved to.

     

    Only after you have done all that can you "lock" the document, but you may have to re-open it first from

    whatever place you saved it to, you use the same pulldown menu in which you chose Rename, and choose "Lock".

     

    Just all this sounds awefully cumbersome and it is difficult.

     

    Why?  "Pages"  is exactly that difficult, and nobody in his right mind would use it as a Word Processing

    program for a business where time is money.

  • PZS Calculating status...
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    Jan 14, 2013 7:26 PM (in response to Number22)

    ""Pages"  is exactly that difficult, and nobody in his right mind would use it as a Word Processing

    program for a business where time is money."

     

    Definitely matter of opinion.  While Pages is not perfect, I've been using it since it's inception at home, school, and work without much issues.  It's actually been more efficient and easy for me to use compared to many other programs I've used.

  • PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (27,450 points)
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    Jan 14, 2013 8:10 PM (in response to Number22)

    Number22 wrote:

     

    Hi, AHH1:

     

    When I had problems with making corrections in a document I was typing in Pages, I became utterly frustrated as at that stage it would not accept my corrections and instead created some sort of sign language connected with small lines! 

     

    You've lost me on this.

     

    Not sure what you are seeing but as you seem to make a deal of 'hitting "Command" and "C"' I think it is all a mystery and reflection of your unfamiliarity with both the user interface and Pages.

     

    If you get into the more advanced aspects of Pages, yes it does get difficult, but not at this level.

     

    If it is new to you, yes there will be things to learn. It could be simpler, but then so could just about everything.

     

    Peter

  • Number22 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jan 16, 2013 4:18 PM (in response to PeterBreis0807)

    Hello Peter, thanks for your input, here is my explanation:

     

    Some people did not understand why I had trouble making typo corrections in Pages

     

    After some 35 years of working on Mac OS, using Clarisworks, AppleWorks, and MS Word, I thought knew just about everything that can be done in word processing.

     

    I started to do my typing after picking a font and its size, etc., but later I looked at some of the new menus with which I was not familiar, in the process switching some of the new menu settings of and on and watching for their effect. 

     

    Some did not have any visible effect.  Thus, I must have left one of them “ON”, namely the setting that prevented me from making corrections. It was, I later discovered, found under the EDIT Menu with the name “Track Changes”.

     

    Now all those people who say they had never a Problem with Pages please turn on “Track Changes”, and then try to make any corrections! Then keep on typing.

     

    Only then willl you see the Nonsense possible while wordprocessing with Pages, which I discovered the hard way. I tried for hours to undo the damage to my document, without a clue of how to do it.  I could not find anything in “Pages Help” that would lead me to the Problem.

     

    Now why would any user want to set his document so he cannot make any changes? Its like malware if put into a wordprocessing application.

  • PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (27,450 points)
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    Jan 16, 2013 4:45 PM (in response to Number22)

    I must admit I don't use Track Changes but I always test what people post here.

     

    I've opened a Word Processing template (Green Grocery letter), turned on Track Changes and have typed merrily away. The text is marked in blue with the TC bar in the margin indicating the change but it is not slow or anything I can detect.

     

    I am sure you are experiencing the slow downs you report but the real cause is something else or something else in combination with Track Changes.

     

    So we need a fuller description of your set-up, what exactly you are using and where you have your file saved. eg Do you have Time Machine on, are you using iCloud, are you saving to a remote HDD or server? What font are you using if you are seeing odd lines?

     

    Anything that may introduce delays.

     

    You may be familiar with other WP programs but Pages has some of the best organised menus and Inspectors around. I wish everything categorised and grouped functions as neatly, especially the Big down to the Little arrangement from left to right.

     

    Take a little time to look around and it will mostly make sense to you quite quickly.

     

    Peter

  • fruhulda Level 6 Level 6 (14,830 points)
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    Jan 16, 2013 10:02 PM (in response to Number22)

    Number22 wrote:

     

    When I had problems with making corrections in a document I was typing in Pages, I became utterly frustrated as at that stage it would not accept my corrections and instead created some sort of sign language connected with small lines! 

     

    I later found out  that this is Pages Designers' new feature to give a you a second chance

    to reconsider any changes that you would want to make to correct your spelling and other errors in the document.

     

    It sounds to me that you Track change activated. You can turn it off. You are not saying which system you are on or which Pages version though so I say how it works on Snow Leopard with Pages 9.0.5.

    This is what it looks like in my Pages

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    You turn it off in the Edit menu - Turn off tracking

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    A good thing to do is download the Pages User Guide from your Pages Help menu.  I got myself a book The Missing Manual for iWorks 09 and it has helped me a lot to learn about Pages.

  • Number22 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jan 16, 2013 11:44 PM (in response to PeterBreis0807)

    Hi again,  Peter:

     

    Now that makes 2 of us who will never use "TRACK CHANGES",  I wonder who would be so much of a nerd to think that this option is necessary to stop people from correcting their own documents.

     

    After starting to type in Pages I noticed all the extra menus at top, some of which I had never seen in Word Processing.  I then tried to find out what they were for, by switching them on and off, and watching for effects.

    Somehow I must have left "TRACK CHANGES" on, and as I found out after much experimenting the next day, it resulted in an entire new menu line being displayed above the document, with

     

    "a whole row of buttons and submenus all designed to prevent the user from correcting any errors"

    he found in his document. 

     

    My document looked similar to the following (recreated) attachment (Click on attachment to enlarge) :

     

    ScreenShot Pages.png

     

    Since I had no idea I had set up this option, I tried for hours to find out why I cannot correct my typos, including going to help and Pages Manual entering search words "Corrections", etc. in search windsows, without success.

     

    This is what took the time.  My new MacBookAir with 10.8.2 is working very fast, and I am not "SLOW" either, so I did the next best thing:  Use Thunderbird,  copy and paste in, edit, add my pictures, and copy and repaste into Pages. Why I did not use TextEdit? I can't drag in pictures.  Why not use NeoOffice? I  would have to buy it, since it is no longer free for a version that can be run in MaOS 10.8.2.  All the other "why not use other applications" (you named a lot) I did not have any of them on my computer (and should not need them after paying for Pages).

     

    - Number 22

  • PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (27,450 points)
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    Jan 17, 2013 12:11 AM (in response to Number22)

    The FormatBar is contextual, it changes depending on what you are doing and where your cursor is, showing the relevant tools for that situation.

     

    You can drag in pictures into TextEdit, also audio and video. In fact there are few OSX apps in which you can't do all of that.

     

    LibreOffice is free as are a wide range of alternative applications.

     

    Peter

  • fruhulda Level 6 Level 6 (14,830 points)
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    Jan 17, 2013 4:44 AM (in response to Number22)

    Just take your time to learn Pages and a lot of frustration will be gone.

  • Jeff Shenk Level 4 Level 4 (2,000 points)
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    Jan 17, 2013 6:12 AM (in response to Number22)

    Number,

     

    Did it really never occur to you that Track Changes is not an option "to stop people from correcting their own documents," but rather something for people who have other people edit their documents, but want to check the changes the other people make before accepting them?

     

    Jeff

  • ileradeltercomondo Calculating status...
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    Aug 21, 2013 7:12 PM (in response to NurseMarci)

    Is your document being saved to something like a DropBox folder? Something that's synchronised to a cloud stoarge system? That was what was causing this behaviour with my system.

  • Number22 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Aug 21, 2013 9:49 PM (in response to ileradeltercomondo)

    No.  Never saved to a drop box folder.

  • vlksamotar Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 6, 2014 7:38 AM (in response to NurseMarci)

    I use Pages 5.1, and have gotten the following error message after exporting documents to Pages 09 but continuing to use the original Pages 5.1 files.  The only negative impact seems to be the error message.  Docs save fine.

    errortxt.png

  • Busterware Calculating status...
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    Apr 14, 2014 9:13 AM (in response to NurseMarci)

    Cleared the problem by first exporting to Word, which failed, followed by saving it as .pages, which worked.

     

    I'm using Mavericks 10.9.2. Pages 5.2 (1860).

     

    Clearly Apple isn't doing sufficient testing on their applications.

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