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  • Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (70,855 points)
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    Jan 15, 2013 5:33 AM (in response to pisethinfo)

    pisethinfo wrote:

     

    Please also check the problem with NHOR (ញ) when it's subscript is added it doesn't show properly

     

    Please use the camera icon to post a screenshot of what is the correct form.  What I see on my machine is this. 

     

    Screen Shot 2013-01-15 at 6.20.09 AM.png

     

    Is that not correct?  Do you see something else?  If so, what font and what app are you using?

  • Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (70,855 points)
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    Jan 15, 2013 6:28 AM (in response to pisethinfo)

    PS Do you have any problem with "ka aa ro"?  Polain Wisey never responded to my request.

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    Jan 15, 2013 5:44 PM (in response to Tom Gewecke)

    Now let's see what I type and my result: Screen Shot 2013-01-16 at 8.36.22 AM.pnglike Screen Shot 2013-01-16 at 8.38.42 AM.png. Now you see something wrong with ញ + the subscript of ញ? It's supposed to be like thisScreen Shot 2013-01-16 at 8.35.36 AM.png. However, ញ renders well in some apps like Mac Word 2011, Adobe Photoshop and InDesign. The problem mostly occurs on the Mac Native Apps like browsers, search boxes, TextEdit, Sticky Note etc.

     

    Regarding the Ka aa ro, I don't seem to face any thing wrong.

  • Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (70,855 points)
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    Jan 15, 2013 7:29 PM (in response to pisethinfo)

    pisethinfo wrote:

     

    N It's supposed to be like thisScreen Shot 2013-01-16 at 8.35.36 AM.png. However, ញ renders well in some apps like Mac Word 2011, Adobe Photoshop and InDesign.

     

    Thanks!  I see now, the Apple fonts are​ clearly wrong.  If you know of other such errors, please let me know (tom at bluesky dot org) so I can include them in a report to Apple.

     

    If this is rendering correctly in MS and Adobe apps, I think it must be because they are actually using a non-Apple font like Khmer OS.  This font also works fine in TextEdit.

     

    Screen Shot 2013-01-15 at 8.26.48 PM.png

  • pisethinfo Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jan 15, 2013 11:52 PM (in response to Tom Gewecke)

    You are right, the apple font is wrong the non-apple ones are fine. If it is possible, apple should just use Khmer OS Battambang as their native font for Khmer as this font looks clean with proper spacing! Also, they can use the SBBIC Keyboard layout for their next release of MAC OS or update file or use the NiDA Keyboard layout as people are familiar with it already. It's also official.

     

    There are a few issues that discourage Cambodians not to use MAC. First, when it comes to working with Khmer Unicode, especially for existing documents (Word). Second, the peripherals are a bit expensive and sometimes not working with others. How come we can't have VGA port for using with LCD projector and need to pay for an adapter? There are a few more. However, Mac are professional in many ways. 

  • Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (70,855 points)
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    Jan 16, 2013 6:37 AM (in response to pisethinfo)

    pisethinfo wrote:

     

    First, when it comes to working with Khmer Unicode, especially for existing documents (Word).

     

    Could you explain that in more detail?  Are you referring to non-Unicode Word documents?   Or the fact that MS Word for Mac does not really support Khmer?

  • pisethinfo Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jan 16, 2013 5:42 PM (in response to Tom Gewecke)

    In fact, some of the fonts work flawlessly. But many don't work. The case is that most fonts work for Khmer Script but when switching to English, while still using the same font, the English script won't work (only the square box). However for some fonts like the NiDA series : NiDA Khmer Empire, they work between switching.

    See example below:

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  • Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (70,855 points)
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    Jan 16, 2013 7:20 PM (in response to pisethinfo)

    pisethinfo wrote:

     

    The case is that most fonts work for Khmer Script but when switching to English, while still using the same font, the English script won't work (only the square box).

     

     

    Normally that should only happen when using a Khmer font with no Latin characters (like Kh Battambang)​ in an app which is not smart enough to switch to another font when the default does not have the required characters.

     

    Unfortunately Mac Word is only a shadow of Win Word, and does not really support any RTL, Indic, or S.E. Asian script.  Even Open/LibreOffice is usually better.

     

    Thanks much for the additional info!

  • pisethinfo Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jan 16, 2013 7:36 PM (in response to Tom Gewecke)

    Tom Gewecke wrote:

     

    Normally that should only happen when using a Khmer font with no Latin characters (like Kh Battambang).

    That is not the case, as you can see in my example, the first two lines are the Kh series (if not all, most don't come with latin scripts), but why they show up correctly? I agree with you that when the font don't come with latin script, there will problem, and I face this in Adobe Photoshop. However, the fist line (in second example) with square box is my font Kh MPS which comes with complete Latin Script and on windows it works like a charm on both office and adobe CS3+. It's not because Office Word on Windows change it to the default font, but when I changed font, every character changes, which means my font works well on Windows. This problem occurs even on Open/LibreOffice. If you have skype, we can talk so more details can be discussed better and in real time. My id is pisethinfo

  • Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (70,855 points)
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    Jan 16, 2013 8:41 PM (in response to pisethinfo)

    pisethinfo wrote:

     

    However, the fist line (in second example) with square box is my font Kh MPS which comes with complete Latin Script and on windows it works like a charm on both office and adobe CS3+.

     

    I assume your font works OK on Apple apps?

     

    I'm afraid I don't have any MS apps myself, as MS does not pretend to support any non-Latin scripts on a Mac other than Chinese/Japanese/Korean.  It seems very strange, however, that your font would not display Latin on Mac Word.  MS has some forums of its own for problems with their Mac products -- perhaps someone there would have some idea why that would happen.

  • pisethinfo Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jan 16, 2013 8:50 PM (in response to Tom Gewecke)

    Sigh! You know for the font problem, now one of my friend who like most Apple products, sells her MacBook Air and buys Laptop running Windows instead as her job requires her to work a  lot with Khmer Unicode.

  • Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (70,855 points)
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    Jan 17, 2013 5:14 AM (in response to pisethinfo)

    pisethinfo wrote:

     

    now one of my friend who like most Apple products, sells her MacBook Air and buys Laptop running Windows instead as her job requires her to work a  lot with Khmer Unicode.

     

    That's unfortunate.  It is a huge problem in Arabic speaking countries.  Some people think Microsoft deliberately cripples MS Office for Mac for non-Latin scripts in order to hold onto the Windows market position in these places.

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