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Michael Womack Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

As stated in the subject line, I don't understand the differences between these (3) items that appear on my iPhone.


iPhone 4, iOS 5.0.1
  • 1. Re: Difference between camera roll, photo stream, and photo library
    Allan Sampson Level 10 Level 10 (123,340 points)

    The Camera Roll stores photos/videos that were captured by your iPhone. The Camera Roll also stores photos saved from a received email, from a website, or from a received MMS/iMessage.

     

    The Photo Stream adds all new photos in the Camera Roll which will make the photos available on your computer with Photo Stream enabled and the same with another iOS device with Photo Stream enabled. Add photos on your computer to the Photo Stream on your computer and the photos will be available in the Photo Stream on your iPhone and with any other iOS device with Photo Stream enabled.

     

    The Photo Library stores photos transferred from your computer via the iTunes sync/transfer process.

  • 2. Re: Difference between camera roll, photo stream, and photo library
    Mayf Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I have about 1100 photos on the camera roll, and 1400 in the photo library.  I don't care to use Photo Stream.

     

    I am periodically downloading photos from my iPhone to Picasa on a Vista PC.

     

    I would like to save all my pictures, just not all on my iPhone.  How can I archive them and clear all but a few from my iPhone.

     

    Are they all physically taking up space on my phone?  Are there duplicates?  Obviously, I really don't understand how Apple has designed this.

     

    Thanks.

  • 3. Re: Difference between camera roll, photo stream, and photo library
    AstroMacMan Level 2 Level 2 (290 points)

    Allan, really appreciated your description-- Camera Roll holds all your iPhone photos and Photo Library the ones synched with iPhoto.  Crystal clear. 

     

    However, I just did a fresh sync via iTunes of various iPhoto folders to my iPhone and ended up with 849 photos in Camera Roll and 833 in Photo Library.  Only a couple of hundred of the photos were taken by the iPhone (the rest by other cameras and a handful were iPhone screen shots), so how did I end up with 849??! 

     

    The difference of 16 intrigues me.  What would cause that and is there an easy way of finding out which 16 those are?

     

    I'm assuming that if I take a photo with the iPhone, that number in the Camera Roll will go up to 850, yet the new photo won't be synched.

     

    I did find that the total number of photos in all the albums synched added up to 867.  I suppose that's explainable if there were duplicates in some of the albums.

     

    So, count me in on the confusion expressed by others here!  Appreciate any illumination that anyone, including Allan, can shed on this!

  • 4. Re: Difference between camera roll, photo stream, and photo library
    AstroMacMan Level 2 Level 2 (290 points)

    One interesting additional wrinkle on this.  I rearranged the albums on the iPhone (dragged and changed their order in a couple of places) and re-synched.

     

    Now, it's 849 and 847!

     

    I should add that I did sync the iPhone with iPhoto before starting all this and brought over to iPhoto all photos that had been taken with the iPhone.  Perhaps that will help in trouble-shooting this.

  • 5. Re: Difference between camera roll, photo stream, and photo library
    Allan Sampson Level 10 Level 10 (123,340 points)

    You're welcome.

     

    The Camera Roll is not included or touched with the iTunes sync process, except for being included with your iPhone's backup if you are not backing up your iPhone wirelessly with an iCloud account.

     

    The number of photos in the Camera Roll won't match the number of photos transferred from your computer stored in the Photo Library unless all photos in the Camera Roll are imported by your computer followed by all be re-transferred to your iPhone via the iTunes sync process.

  • 6. Re: Difference between camera roll, photo stream, and photo library
    AstroMacMan Level 2 Level 2 (290 points)

    Allan, much appreciate and clearer now. That's also great info about iTunes backing up the Camera Roll.  So, I don't have to do that manually.  Of course, I'm still scratching my head on a couple of points. 

     

    • 1.  What's throwing me is that most photos were taken by a Canon digital camera--far more than by the iPhone.  So, how the CR # ever got to 849 is beyond me.

     

     

    • 2.  On a 2nd iPhone, we've synched roughly the same iTunes folders, and the numbers are 239 in Camera Roll and 1,000+ in Photo Library. Will another sync jump the CR # dramatically on the 2nd iPhone?  Or, will the # only go up if the photos being transferred were taken by that particular iPhone?

     

     

    Ouch, my head hurts and this isn't even rocket science!! 

  • 7. Re: Difference between camera roll, photo stream, and photo library
    Allan Sampson Level 10 Level 10 (123,340 points)

    OK, I think I get part of this now-- Camera Roll reflects photos taken fresh by the iPhone, as well as photos transferred into iPhoto and synched back via iTunes.

     

    The Camera Roll stores photos and videos that were captured by the iPhone, and stores photos saved on the iPhone - from a recevied email, from an MMS/iMessage, from a website, or from an app, etc. When you say "transferred into iPhoto", the iPhoto app on the iPhone reflects photos in the Camera Roll and photos that were transferred from your computer. iPhoto on a Mac can be used to import photos/videos from any digital camera including from the iPhone's Camera Roll. Photos/videos in the Camera Roll on the iPhone are not touched or included with the iTunes sync process.

     

    After importing photos from the Camera Roll with iPhoto, iPhoto includes an option to delete the photos from the Camera Roll after the import process is complete - the same prompt is provided after importing photos from any digital camera or from a camera storage card. After the photos are imported by your computer, you can transfer the photos to your iPhone along with any other photos on your computer via the iTunes sync process, which is selected under the Photos tab for your iPhone sync preferences with iTunes.

  • 8. Re: Difference between camera roll, photo stream, and photo library
    neilfoy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks Allan,

     

    So as I understand it, once I've imported all of my "Camera Roll" into my Iphoto, I can safely delete all of the items in the "Camera Roll"?

     

    Currently I have two copies of each, which is taking up a lot of space on my Iphone.

     

    Assuming the answer to my question is yes, is there any way I can do a check that all of the pics in my Camera Roll have in fact been imported? Or is this this the check that Itunes does each time I Sync my phone?

     

    And finally, if I have said "No" to an import from my "Camera Roll", in the past, I assume that those images just sit in my "Camera Roll", and are not represented for importing - therefore, I would completely lose them if I empty my camera roll?

  • 9. Re: Difference between camera roll, photo stream, and photo library
    Allan Sampson Level 10 Level 10 (123,340 points)

    You're welcome.

     

    So as I understand it, once I've imported all of my "Camera Roll" into my Iphoto, I can safely delete all of the items in the "Camera Roll"?

     

    Correct.

     

    Assuming the answer to my question is yes, is there any way I can do a check that all of the pics in my Camera Roll have in fact been imported? Or is this this the check that Itunes does each time I Sync my phone?

     

    After importing photos/vidoes from the Camera Roll with iPhoto, iPhoto will provide a prompt to delete the photos/videos from the Camera Roll. The prompt is not provided unless the photos/videos were imported by iPhoto.

     

    iTunes does not handle the import of photos/videos from Camera Roll, and does not check the Camera Roll to ensure photos/videos were imported by a iPhoto. The iTunes sync process is completely seperate from the Camera Roll except for the Camera Roll being included with the iPhone's backup if the backup is done by iTunes.

     

    And finally, if I have said "No" to an import from my "Camera Roll", in the past, I assume that those images just sit in my "Camera Roll", and are not represented for importing - therefore, I would completely lose them if I empty my camera roll?

     

    If the photos have not been imported from the Camera Roll and they are deleted, they will be lost unless they are in the PhotoStream or included with your iPhone's backup. If not in the PhotoStream and not in your iPhone's backup or if your iPhone's backup is updated after the photos are deleted from the Camera Roll, they will be lost.

  • 10. Re: Difference between camera roll, photo stream, and photo library
    Krawlins1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hello. Thank you both for staying on topic. So many responders go on to other more personal opinions etc.

    My question is once my iPhone 4 and iPad2 photos are backed up to iCloud, may I safely delete them from my devices to create more space without deleting them from iCloud?

  • 11. Re: Difference between camera roll, photo stream, and photo library
    Allan Sampson Level 10 Level 10 (123,340 points)

    Photos/videos in the Camera Roll on each device are included with the backup for each device, but not a good idea to depend on that backup alone for this data. If a problem develops with the backup in regards to the photos and the photos are imported by your computer, they will be lost.

     

    The PhotoStream is temporary - limited to 1,000 photos and 30 days for each.

     

    Photos/videos in the Camera Roll on each device should be imported by your computer as with an other digital camera.

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4083

     

    Most photo import utilities include an option to delete the photos/videos from the Camera Roll after the import process is complete.

  • 12. Re: Difference between camera roll, photo stream, and photo library
    Tigervision Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    I am syncing one album on my phone from itunes. That album has 139 pics.  The photo library says 139 (it is correct).  The album shows 131.  When you open the album and scroll to bottom, it isays 139. 

     

    Why the heck is the album showing 131 and not 139!  The Photo library is displaying it right.  Driving me crazy.

     

    I am not talking about the camera roll at all.  Just the photo library and the single album I am syncing.

     

    Further, I have synced this album to one other phone and ipad.  Both say 139 for photo library and the album.

     

    But one phone is saying 131 for the album... when there is 139 pics in it.

     

    oiy!

  • 13. Re: Difference between camera roll, photo stream, and photo library
    Tigervision Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    I don't know what I did... that worked.

    First I deleted iphoto cache in library.... and resynced.  The error was still there.

    I then deleted a photo from the camera roll and resynched and it was fixed.

     

    Most likely the deleting of a photo from camera roll forced a recount or something?

  • 14. Re: Difference between camera roll, photo stream, and photo library
    Judzzzzzz Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi all,

    I synced photos from my computer onto my iphone and they automatically went into their own album 'Photo Library'. I want to delete the photos from this album and the album itself. I cannot seem to figure out how to do it!! I'm sure it's simple, I have just read this discussion to see if it was answered somewhere. If anyone knows how please reply!!

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