10 Replies Latest reply: Jan 16, 2013 9:34 AM by PeterBreis0807
murimac Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I am using Word for Mac on my iMac because I write radio and television manuscripts in tables (one column for pictures and sounds, one for text). During Xmas holidays I decided to copy manuscripts to my MacBook to work on it. On the MacBook I have Pages, not Word for Mac, but I hear often that Mac can read anything written in a Windows programme. Unfortunately when I opened Pages, I could not read all the text. If a text was longer that one page, I could only read the beginning, it was impossible to scroll to see the continuation. I can understand that it might be difficult to read Windows manuscripts in a Mac programme, but it is actually written in Windows' Mac-version of Word.

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.4)
  • 1. Re: From Word for Mac to Pages
    Tom Gewecke Level 9 Level 9 (71,730 points)

    Instead of Pages, try the TextEdit app on your Macbook or download the free Open/LibreOffice.


    Sometimes only MS Word will work for correctly reading stuff produced by MS Word, other apps just do their best.

  • 2. Re: From Word for Mac to Pages
    Jerrold Green1 Level 7 Level 7 (28,995 points)



    Pages and Word handle Tables differently. That would be a potential problem in this case. I agree that it would make sense to use a more compatible app for now.



  • 3. Re: From Word for Mac to Pages
    PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (29,640 points)

    Pages will not split a cell in a table, this causes a problem if that cell is longer than the page allows.


    A basic restriction of Pages.


    There are otherways to get the effect you want of image and text side by side.



  • 4. Re: From Word for Mac to Pages
    murimac Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    So Pages has a problem: you cannot use it for manuscript writing in tables. And Apple has a problem promising compatibility with Windows.


    I would have liked to give all 3 comments a "This helped me", but unfortunately I cannot, and actually nobody solved my problem because it is unsolvable. Thank you all of you.

  • 5. Re: From Word for Mac to Pages
    fruhulda Level 6 Level 6 (15,110 points)

    Well, I don't think Apple said Pages was a 100 % compatible with Word. The two applications handles tables and object differently.

  • 6. Re: From Word for Mac to Pages
    PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (29,640 points)



    You are thinking "Inside the box".


    Just because Word users shove just about everything in a Table doesn't mean that is the best or only way of formatting a document or script. There are lots of other formatting options in Pages.


    We had a poster here the other day who was trying to shove all their text into a single cell table!




    Actually Apple staff have said exactly that to both me and many people who have asked in my presence.


    Apple has been somewhat disingenuous the way they stated the degree of compatibility. They imply it just works, without actually providing details, when it obviously doesn't "just work".



  • 7. Re: From Word for Mac to Pages
    fruhulda Level 6 Level 6 (15,110 points)

    The Apple staff got bad training and no training on Pages I presume. Nor have they read the Pages User Guide:

    • Microsoft Word: You can open and edit Microsoft Word files in Microsoft Word on a computer running Mac OS X or Windows.

    Because of text layout differences between Microsoft Word and Pages, an exported Word document may contain a different number of pages than its Pages counterpart. You may notice other differences, as well, for example, table layouts and some special typographic features may not be identical. Some graphics (particularly those using transparency) may not display as well. Charts created in Pages appear as MS Graph objects, which you can edit in Microsoft Word.


  • 8. Re: From Word for Mac to Pages
    PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (29,640 points)



    Apple staff are "trained" by Apple. Maybe Apple can't afford to train them adequately?


    Seems it can't get its billions back from the Cayman Islands and the Netherlands tax havens. It obviously doesn't have the time or resources, being preoccupied with concocting schemes whereby it charges Australian users a premium for all their content, including Australian GST but then tells the Australian Tax Office that the transaction actually happened in Singapore and should be taxed there.


    I suspect that addition to the User Guide is a belated entry, no doubt due to the savaging they got in this forum amongst other places. The original User Guide glossed over any problems, not even mentioning that any existed.


    What people are told to their face and in all promotional material carries more weight than the fine print in a User Guide that is not even installed with the software, let alone visible till you have purchased the product.


    The same thing with Apple's claims that iCloud syncing just "automatically appear" in Lion which was obviously not true:


    "You can create amazing documents and presentations on your Mac, iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch. And with iCloud, you can keep that work up to date across your Mac and all your iOS devices. You don’t have to manage your documents in a complicated file system or remember to save them to a special folder. Your documents — with all the latest edits — are stored in your apps, so they automatically appear everywhere. "


    That was on their website right until Mountain Lion was released and finally fixed it.



  • 9. Re: From Word for Mac to Pages
    murimac Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Well, I think that Pages is a relatively good programme, but they could also learn something from Word about tables. I don't mind so much if Pages is changing the layout of my tables as long as I can read them and continue working on them, but that is the real problem: I cannot even read the text if one column is longer than one A4 side. I cannot scroll it to see the continuation, and it doesn't split up in several parts on different pages. So my text has partially disappeared in the process.


    I think it would be logical for any writing programme to be able to show long texts in tables, because we are a lot of people using these tables, and it is a pity if the two most important software products for writing are not capable of speaking together.


    So, Peter of Australia, I agree that Pages can do a lot of things. So, Apple staff, some things doesn't actually just work. So, Mrs. Hulda of Sweden, thank you for bringing out the User Guide showing that even Apple don't know about this problem.


    Now this is not about Apple bashing, but I do hope that the Apple people are listening to the forum discussions and that they might even learn something from their competitor.

  • 10. Re: From Word for Mac to Pages
    PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (29,640 points)



    I agree that in this circumstance the quick and dirty method is to shove the script elements into a table, but it is not the only way.


    It has been discussed before at length.


    There are also specific script writing programmes for the Mac, which I know doesn't really let Pages off the hook, but some of the attraction of Pages is that it isn't as unwieldy and full of hard to find and use features as MsWord.


    I don't know why the Pages programmers put this limitation in Tables, but having a good insight into the many things that need fixing in Pages, I'd say they had limited resources at the time and have been diverted from everything except maintenance since.