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  • Ocean Lion Calculating status...
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    Jan 16, 2013 6:19 AM (in response to mswag)

    I strongly agree with you. No matter how amaing retina display is, 15 inch is 15 inch, not big enough for designing.

  • leia_organa Calculating status...
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    Jan 16, 2013 10:11 AM (in response to mswag)

    Due to upgrade my 17" Macbook Pro this summer. Literally just visited the online store to get an idea of price and couldn't find them anywhere.  Having looked all over the site, I finally resorted to Googling.  I realise I've come to this very late but I had absolutely no idea they were no longer available - I'm utterly gobsmacked.

     

    It really isn't an overexageration to say this is a total disaster for me as a designer.  My 17" Macbook Pro is my entire office - I work from home and my laptop is everything from design studio to DVD player.  I need a big screen for my work (15" is ridiculously small - I haven't owned a laptop that tiny in a decade!).  On the flipside, I need to take my work to clients - I can't exactly lug a 19" desktop around with me.  Nor do I want to be tied down to a desktop (I certainly can't afford to buy a small laptop plus large-screen desktop to do cover all uses).

     

    I'm so shocked - it hadn't occurred to me I couldn't upgrade.  Gutted and irritated that I could have upgraded last year when they were still available if only I'd known about their withdrawal from sale.

     

    Feels like Apple have gone from being the platform of choice for designers & creative professionals to producing products aimed more & more at teenagers and the home user market.

     

    I now need to look seriously about whether I stick with Apple.  I can't believe I just typed that

  • Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (48,105 points)
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    Jan 16, 2013 10:54 AM (in response to leia_organa)

    Refurbished units that are cosmetically perfect and eligible for Applecare are still available here:

     

    http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac/macbook_pro/17

     

    However. There is one very important difference. This may be a deal-breaker for some.

     

    These units will be shipped in a plain white box.

    Mac Pro (Early 2009), Mac OS X (10.6.8), & Server, PPC, & AppleTalk Printers
  • leia_organa Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jan 16, 2013 11:30 AM (in response to Grant Bennet-Alder)

    Cheers Grant.  I've just been looking at the UK store and there are 2 refurbs available over here.  Kind of ironic that professional/power users are reduced to looking at 2-year old refurbs.  I'm going to be taking really good care of my 'ol 17-inch Macbook Pro from now on!

     

    I'd consider myself a fairly major fangirl (sad but true) but this could be the final straw for me.  I need a large screen area (the 15-inch retina doesn't compare - seen it in the flesh and it's fine for students or home users I'm sure) but I also need portability.  I'm not going to take a flippin' iPad to visit clients and I don't like being chained to a desktop machine, no matter what size the monitor is - haven't worked like that in years.  I certainly can't afford to buy two machines - a massive desktop and a small laptop - that was the whole point of the 17-inch wasn't it?!

     

    What I find amazing is how so many of us had the same initial reaction - "Apple no longer make the product I need, therefore I'll buy something else from them that I don't really like as much and change my workflow to fit their new product range".  Sometimes I think we're slightly brainwashed - I wouldn't put up with that from any other company if they stopped selling what I wanted, I'd simply go somewhere else.  Trouble is we're all so "invested" in Apple as a brand (not to mention pro software which oftens adds up to more than the computer cost!).

     

    However, I do feel like Apple is taking its pro users for granted when we're the evangelists converting our PC-using relatives, friends & colleagues (I know I've turned more than a few into Mac users).

     

    Got a few months to look at alternatives before I need to make a decision.

  • John Galt Level 7 Level 7 (33,010 points)
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    Jan 16, 2013 11:46 AM (in response to leia_organa)

    These refurbished MBPs really are indistiguishable from new leia_organa. Same warranty as new, same free 90 day phone support as new, same everything as new.

     

    If Apple built a new 17" MBP I would buy it, optical drive or not, I don't care. But they don't, and when the refurbished ones are gone, they will probably be gone for good. Grant's suggestion deserves serious consideration.

     

    http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac/macbook_pro/17

  • OGELTHORPE Level 7 Level 7 (22,400 points)
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    Jan 16, 2013 11:37 AM (in response to Grant Bennet-Alder)

    Grant Bennet-Adler, greetings;  You said "These units will be shipped in a plain white box.".  After several sessions with my therapist, I was able to get past that and ordered a late 2011 17" 2.5 GHz MBP and received it about 6 weeks ago.  If only I could install Snow Leopard on it, it would be close to perfection.

     

    Ciao.

  • John Galt Level 7 Level 7 (33,010 points)
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    Jan 16, 2013 11:46 AM (in response to leia_organa)

    leia_organa wrote:

     

    ... I'm going to be taking really good care of my 'ol 17-inch Macbook Pro from now on!

     

    If I had known how long my 17" PowerBook G4 would last I would have taken better care of it.

  • John Galt Level 7 Level 7 (33,010 points)
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    Jan 16, 2013 11:50 AM (in response to OGELTHORPE)

    OGELTHORPE wrote:

     

    ... If only I could install Snow Leopard on it, it would be close to perfection.

     

    Can you boot SL on yours OGELTHORPE? Not necessarily install it, but boot from SL already installed on an external volume?

     

    The early 2011s do, but I have no late 2011s to test. Thanks.

  • BarefootHank Calculating status...
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    Jan 16, 2013 11:52 AM (in response to John Galt)

    Hi guys,

     

    Please check out my ideas about a MBP19, read my points about why it wouldn't be much bigger than the current MBP17 and think about what you could accomplish on that kind of screen real estate.

     

    Also, I just found out that although Apple has a program where, for a flat $310, they fix anything wrong with your 2008 MBP17 (including the logic board), they will be discontinuing that support for 2008 and previous years... this will likely happen toward the middle or end of this year.

    This is troubling because with 6GB Memory and an SSD, my machine is still screaming fast.

  • leia_organa Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jan 16, 2013 11:52 AM (in response to John Galt)

    I'll certainly have to consider a refurb - replacing all my Mac software would cost me a small fortune - Adobe already has first dibs on a kidney.

     

    Finding out that Apple no longer make 17-inch laptops has just been a very unwelcome discovery this evening.

  • Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (48,105 points)
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    Jan 16, 2013 12:03 PM (in response to OGELTHORPE)

     

    Ogelthorpe-

     

     

     


    MacBook Pro (17-inch, Late 2011)
    Oct 2011
    10.7.2
    10.7.3
    11C74, 11C2002, 11D2001
    MacBook Pro (17-inch, Early 2011)Feb 201110.6.610.6.7,10.7, 10.7.210J3210, 10J3331a, 10J4139, 11A511a, 11C74
    ...


     

     

    this table extracted from:

    Mac OS X versions (builds) for computers

     

    You CAN install 10.6 on it, provided it is the right model. But you cannot do so by booting from the "Full Retail" 10.6.3 DVD.

     

    a) contact Applecare with your serial number at the ready and request a "replacement disc" for the one that shipped in the box. This sometimes will require pushing past the "first responders" who have never heard of such a thing until you get to a product specialist who has heard of it and can send you one. If available, the nominal cost of about US$25 brings a white DVD-R "Replacement DVD -- Not for ReSale", possibly of the aforementioned 10.6.6. -OR-

     

    b) create a 10.6.6 or later (10.6.8 would be best) on another drive on another computer. As long as it was sourced from a "Full Retail" DVD and not a "model-specific" DVD, you should be able to clone it to that MacBook and have it run properly. [Remember that Disk Utility Restore, even the version on a bootable DVD can also be used to copy disks, and that FireWire Target Disk Mode can also come in handy here.]

     


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  • leia_organa Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jan 16, 2013 12:00 PM (in response to BarefootHank)

    I totally agree - I would be interested in a 19-inch laptop.  That would provide a decent sized screen but with the ability to pop it in the car and set up shop anywhere.  Anyone who thinks the 17-inch Macbook Pro is "too heavy" needs to have an extra Weetabix.

     

    What actually amazes me is that anyone buys a 13-inch laptop.  To my mind, with the advent of tablets, it's small screen laptops, not large screens, that are the ones becoming obsolete, particularly for home users.

     

    I just hope that Apple don't dumb down to the lowest common denominator in an attempt to appeal to a bigger & bigger marketshare.  Windows latest release looks like a massive smartphone display, yuck!  A really experienced PC user friend of mine admitted he absolutely hates it, so I'm reluctant to skulk back to a PC.  Also, the shame...the shame. 

  • John Galt Level 7 Level 7 (33,010 points)
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    Jan 16, 2013 12:05 PM (in response to Grant Bennet-Alder)

    edit - disregard

  • Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (48,105 points)
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    Jan 16, 2013 12:16 PM (in response to Grant Bennet-Alder)


     

    EveryMac.com claims these models are identical down to the firmware, except for the SPEED of the processor:

     

    Finally, the stock 17" MacBook Pro -- the MacBook Pro "Core i7" 2.4 17-Inch-- gains a modestly faster processor and graphics compared to the MacBook Pro "Core i7" 2.2 17-Inch replaced.


    2.2 17" (Early 2011)2.4 17" (Late 2011)
    Processor Type:Core i7Core i7
    Processor Number:I7-2720QMI7-2760QM
    Processor Speed:2.2 GHz2.4 GHz
    Processor Cores:44
    Video System:Intel HD Graphics 3000
    Radeon HD 6750M
    Intel HD Graphics 3000
    Radeon HD 6770M
    Video Type:Integrated/DedicatedIntegrated/Dedicated
    Video Memory:384 MB/1 GB384 MB/1 GB
    Autoswitching:YesYes
    Display Size:17.0"17.0"
    Native Resolution:1920x12001920x1200
    Ext. Display:2560x16002560x1600
    RAM Type:1333 MHz PC3-106001333 MHz PC3-10600
    Default Memory:4 GB4 GB
    Maximum Memory:16 GB*16 GB*
    Hard Drive Size:750 GB750 GB
    Serial ATA:6 Gb/s6 Gb/s
    SuperDrive:8X DL8X DL
    SD Card Slot:NoNo
    ExpressCard/34:YesYes
    Firewire 800:Yes (1)Yes (1)
    USB 2.0:Yes (3)Yes (3)
    Thunderbolt:Yes (1)Yes (1)
    Size (Inches):0.98 x 15.47 x 10.510.98 x 15.47 x 10.51
    Weight:6.6 lbs (2.99 kg)6.6 lbs (2.99 kg)
    Battery Life:7 Hours7 Hours
    Battery W/Hr:95 W/Hr95 W/Hr
    Apple Order No:MC725LL/AMD311LL/A
    Intro Price:US$2499US$2499

     

     

    Excutive Summary:


    So trying the "Install on a different Mac and clone it over" is definitely worth a shot for either model.

    Mac Pro (Early 2009), Mac OS X (10.6.8), & Server, PPC, & AppleTalk Printers
  • BarefootHank Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jan 16, 2013 12:16 PM (in response to Grant Bennet-Alder)

    Hi guys,

     

    Please check out my ideas about a MBP19, read my points about why the outer dimensions wouldn't be much bigger than the current MBP17 and think about what you could accomplish on that kind of screen real estate and a number pad added to the keyboard...

     

    That, and...

     

    Also, I just found out that although Apple has a program where, for a flat $310, they fix anything wrong with your 2008 MBP17 (including the logic board which is a really big job), they will be discontinuing that support for 2008 and previous years... this will likely happen toward the middle or end of this year.

    This is troubling because with 6GB Memory and an SSD, my machine is still screaming fast.

     

    I just bought a Samsung Series 7 Chronos 17.3" notebook for my day trading platforms as an alternative to VMWare on my MBP.  The display is wider but shorter top to bottom, with a resolution of 1920 x 1080.  It supports my 27" Apple CinemaDisplay beautifully.  I use "PostBox" for my mail client, which, with it's Mac-like interface (only even nicer) is a great alternative to mac or win mail apps.  The machine itself, although not solid block aluminum, is rock solid, has a sexy brushed dark aluminum finish and is really amazing with it's shortcut keys for access to everything.  I bring this machine into the conversation for three reasons: 1. It is a serious alternative, as a quad core machine... and 2. It does have the number pad, which you may find you'll use for everything... and finally number 3. Which is that I'm hearing, more and more, about the success' people are having with installing MacOS on Windows machines, after all they ARE intel processor machines.

     

    Just a few ideas.

     

    Please do investigate that MBP19 idea... it's a long post, but well worth reading and I think you'll be surprised at how appealing it may sound in the end.

     

    As the proud owner of dozens of Apple products over the years, and current owner of 8 pieces, I obviously want to see them continue to succeed, as long as they don't kick their creative pros to the curb in the process.

     

    Cheers

    Hank.

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