Currently Being ModeratedJan 16, 2013 12:17 PM (in response to leia_organa)
I've actually dreaded the moment I may have to go back to a PC. Been using my 17in MacBook pro since 2006 and running virtual Linux and Windows...
I am 100% mobile.. and I like it that way, but I design and code and have to have a display I can see. Now with the PC world offering multiple OS support through all the virtual environments and dual boot software, I'm afraid I'll have to go back. I can't use a 15 inch. I tried.... way to small.. and pointless for all I have to do.
So on the upside, I will have the best of three worlds now.. Windows for my PC only clients (Adobe FrameMaker... cough...) and OSX for my normal web design and graphic work. I'm not entirely happy about it... as I did convert my friends and family to Mac.. but I can't go desktop... and I can't go smaller.
And my 2008 MacBook Pro has had nothing but problems for 2 years... screen is almost shot..
Currently Being ModeratedJan 16, 2013 1:36 PM (in response to mswag)
Like most here, I spent some time with a 15" Retina in the Apple Store and it doesn't compare to a 17" for the designing/developing/presenting requirements I have (on occasions I wish I had more real-estate on the 17").
I have an early 2011 17" MBP (in fact we purchased 5 of these for our company), however I've dropped mine a few times and the company have given me the green light to get a new one, hence the time spent with the 15".
The message I received from Apple Support and the Sales Agents was there is unlikely to be replacement for the 17".
I surprised even myself, that given the opportunity to have a free swap for a 15" Retina I would rather stick with my bruised and cracked 17".
Not sure why Apple are doing the 2" incremeents, 11, 13 then 15.
Wouldn't 11, 13 then 17 make more sense, or 11, 14, 17?
Anyway, I'm now in a position to update to a 17" late 2011 refurb or as "marnijdeer" suggested switching to another brand which will allow me to install Mac OS on a different boot. I've got a 1TB SDD in my 17" and dual boot between Mac, Windows and Linux currently.
Has anyone come across an alternative 17"+ machine which offers all the goodies a Mac Book Pro has, the same support as Apple, the Brand won't let us down in future and it's possible to install Mac OS and have full access to DVI, HDMI, USB3 and Thundebolt?
In case you missed it in earlier posts, here's the place to make yourself heard, let Apple know we want the 17" back and they can have our loyality for another 3 years, mine is now waining:
Currently Being ModeratedJan 16, 2013 1:57 PM (in response to John Galt)
John Galt, greetings: A morsel of information for you to digest. I have a clone of my 2010 17" MBP which I connected to the late 2011 17" MBP and it did boot. As a test I successfully opened an ancient version of MS Office (2004) which will not run on Lion OS which is resident on the 2011 MBP.
You have a valid suggestion provided one is willing to carry around an extra HDD.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 16, 2013 2:12 PM (in response to Grant Bennet-Alder)
Grant Bennet-Alder, greetings; My late 2011 17" MBP came with Lion. You speak on a 'replacement' disk which it did not come with. I would think that this would pertain to early 2011 MBPs, not late ones. Is there some classified information I should be aware of?
On your second option, If I were to install 10.6 using the retail Snow Leopard disk on an external HDD, then software update to 10.6.8, would result in an OS that can be cloned to the late 2011 MBP? Or, Clone Snow Leopard from my 2006 17" MBP (which was created using a 10.6.3 retail disk) and then clone it to the late 2011?
Yes, I have three 17" babies.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 16, 2013 3:14 PM (in response to OGELTHORPE)
Is there some classified information I should be aware of?
I ordered "replacement discs" for Mac Pro's I bought as refurbs, where I did not want to run the software shipped "in the box". I was able to ask for and recieve the oldest software that had ever shipped with that model. It may have been dumb luck, but who knows for certain.
If I were to install 10.6 using the retail Snow Leopard disk on an external HDD, then software update to 10.6.8, would result in an OS that can be cloned to the late 2011 MBP?
Yes it would. Sourcing from a retail disc produces an "every model" version of Mac OS X.
Or, Clone Snow Leopard from my 2006 17" MBP (which was created using a 10.6.3 retail disk) and then clone it to the late 2011?
As long as that software image was sourced from a Retail Disc (or Retail download, Apple has assured us) and has been updated to at least the 10.6.6 [possibly custom] or 10.6.7 [works for sure] version, it should not have any issues.Mac Pro (Early 2009), Mac OS X (10.6.8), & Server, PPC, & AppleTalk Printers
Currently Being ModeratedJan 16, 2013 3:26 PM (in response to Grant Bennet-Alder)
Grant Bennet-Alder, greetings: Very illuminating. I think I will partition the late 2011 and see how it goes. Very much appreciated and I suspect you will educate me again in the future.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 16, 2013 3:46 PM (in response to jbkalla)
Hank, where did you find the $310 program? Would I just take the old MBP into an Apple store and they will fix whatever's wrong with it?
At the Apple Store, Eastview Mall, Rochester, NY, Genius Bar.
I had my logicboard replaced 9 months ago.
I turned it in on a Friday night and it was back from the Texas repair facility on Monday night!!!
How in the heck did they even do that LOL.
I was back at the store this Monday with one set of display backlights going bad.
The manager said if I wanted to leave it as is, that it could last for years like that... that it wouldn't accelerate the demise of the other set... but if I did want to get it fixed, the $310 flat rate would cover a brand new display.
I Love Apple.
They need to move forward in the development of a new larger machine... MBP19.
They must address the fact that they lost their market share in larger notebooks because they never produced a notebook with a number pad. In this failure to adapt, they have snubbed CPA's, Bookkeepers, Traders, Business Managers and owners and anyone has numbers to crunch, spreadsheets to create or modify, or credit cards to run manually. This has to be 50% or more of the large notebook computer market.
Simply put, the death (or at least pause in production) of the MacBook Pro 17 was a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 16, 2013 4:36 PM (in response to OGELTHORPE)
No need to do partition anything immediately. If you get a proper 10.6.8 on an External drive, you should be able to boot the new MacBook Pro using that external drive.Mac Pro (Early 2009), Mac OS X (10.6.8), & Server, PPC, & AppleTalk Printers
Currently Being ModeratedJan 16, 2013 4:39 PM (in response to OGELTHORPE)
... I have a clone of my 2010 17" MBP which I connected to the late 2011 17" MBP and it did boot. As a test I successfully opened an ancient version of MS Office (2004) which will not run on Lion OS which is resident on the 2011 MBP.
Thanks OGELTHORPE, good to know.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 16, 2013 4:51 PM (in response to Grant Bennet-Alder)
Grant Bennet-Alder, greetings; Yes, I understand that and I have done that successfully. What I want to do is to install it in the late 2011 MBP. The reason for the partition is because I still want to get more experience with Lion and perhaps later Mt. lion.
Again many thank you's.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 16, 2013 5:17 PM (in response to OGELTHORPE)
So sorry -- I was multi-tasking too much and overlooked your previous mention of this.
I agree with your [learn about 10.7] philosophy and have done a similar thing on my Mac Pro, but on a completely different drive.
I found the first things I needed to do was to reverse the scrolling direction, restore the scroll bars, and turn off re-opening of old windows after restart. Only then could I begin to give it a good look-over. The one-way transition of Mail is a HUGE annoyance.
I am also suspicious. It suspect that whenever I boot into 10.7 and later go back to 10.6.8, it dumps the contents of my Address Book and my Stickies.Mac Pro (Early 2009), Mac OS X (10.6.8), & Server, PPC, & AppleTalk Printers
Currently Being ModeratedJan 17, 2013 2:57 AM (in response to Grant Bennet-Alder)
Grant Bennet-Alder, greetings; Yes, the scrolling almost drove me into a strait jacket and I also had to alter it. But when you think about it, both both options have logic behind them however when one is conditioned in using it one way and it becomes second nature, it becomes difficult to change.
One of my pet peeves is that when you COMMAND Q on images in Preview, and then select an new image, all of the prior ones are generated. One has to delete them individually. I have let Apple support know about this, in a polite and civilized manner.
Enlarging or contracting images in a folder using the pinch gesture is no longer available in Lion. Now one is forced to use COMMAND J and select from the menu the required actions. I do not understand why there cannot be both.
These issues may be making the job easier for the programmers and analysts, but they have to understand that their job is actually to make it easier for the end user.
I'm certain that other wonder await us.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 17, 2013 3:26 PM (in response to Grant Bennet-Alder)