Currently Being ModeratedJan 19, 2013 8:42 AM (in response to lordnibbler)
"Wouldn't it just be simpler to re-install iTunes 10.x and get over the fact that you are no longer living on the cutting edge? Apple are not preventing you going back (but they do make it arkward), and if you skim the history of this thread you'll see there are countless links to posts that show how to revert."
Yes, if you have time machine. Even if you do, you have to delete and remake libraries, which apple specifically tells you not to do, and after all that it doesn't reverse the other changes that happened with iTunes 11, like eradicating front row.
You can get front row back by using time machine and going back to a prior time when it was functional, but that may reset everything in the computer that you've done since then.
Yes, i can buy a harmony and install plex, or do many other things to make my apple work the way it did when i bought it. These are expensive soultions to a problem that Apple created for their users.
The CEO and management don't think there's a problem which is astonishingly arrogant and short sighted. The share price has dropped by roughly 30% over the past couple of months, which tends to indicate that the market doesn't like the direction the company is headed in. Apple needs to change course soon.
Front Row was removed from the OS when 10.7 was released over 18 months ago, iTunes 11 has nothing to do with it. If you keep choosing to upgrade the OS and major software versions why are you surprised that old features are gone or changed, take time to read reviews before updating or update on a spare disk & test.
If you want to go back to iTunes 11 you can use the iTunes Library.itl that was automatically backed up by Apple when it updated it to the iTunes 11 format (see ~/Music/iTunes/Previous iTunes Libraries). After that you can drag & drop the iTunes Music/ music, podcasts, books, movies folders etc onto iTunes to import any items that were added since that old library was used, you shouldn't need to rebuild everything. It is obviously more difficult if you don't let iTunes manage the library & file naming.
You won't have the playlists and playcounts you created between now & the time iTunes 11 was installed (unless you export them from iTunes 11 to a text file or playlist & try importing to iTunes 10).
You can export the files added since iTunes 11 was installed if you create the correct smart playlist criteria.
The tools are all there, but it requires some thought & work to go backwards (because Apple always look forward).
It seems like Apple's stock is plummeting, but there has recently been speculation around stock options, it may have contributed to pushing the price down over the past few weeks.
Let's see if their earnings announcement alters the price in a few days.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 19, 2013 10:16 AM (in response to Drew Reece (Re:co))
It may have been removed 18 months ago, but it's only recently that it's stopped working and only recently that i noticed it. I don't care if it was announced or not, if i paid for it and use it, i want it to keep working.
"The tools are all there, but it requires some thought & work to go backwards (because Apple always look forward)"
Crapple is not looking forwards. Intentionally crippling software isn't progressive, it's arrogant. They are the new microsoft.
"It seems like Apple's stock is plummeting, but there has recently been speculation around stock options, it may have contributed to pushing the price down over the past few weeks."
Stock options all come due on the same day, that won't explain a 30% drop since August. The technical analysis indicators say Apple is going to drop to around 280, which is very, very well deserved in my opinion.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 19, 2013 11:17 AM (in response to double_ohh7)
I think the solution is simple. Write your own sowftware.
… or get involved with the open source alternatives, like Amarok, Songbird and Nightingale.
Other software is avaliable http://alternativeto.net/software/itunes/?platform=mac
Trouble is none of them can do everything that iTunes does with DRM'd content and iOS/ iPod syncing.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 19, 2013 11:43 AM (in response to Porf)
- When you do a search in itunes 11, you cannot see songs with the search terms in the song title unless they contain the exact search term or the search term as the exact beginning letters of a word. You used to be able to see all songs that had the search term as a part of another word or the search term with a symbol attached to it such as a parenthesis, which is VERY COMMON in electronic and pop music. One example of this is Kid Cudi- Day n’ Night (Crookers Remix); I cannot find this song by searching “Crookers” in iTunes 11. I used to be able to, but since they “simplified” things I cant use the search function in this way. This is because of the parenthesis attached. I used to be able to find this song by searching “Crookers”, “rookers”, “udi”, any sequence of letters that were in any of the metadata. If I had this song listed as “Crooker’s Remix” and I searched using “Crookers” it wouldn’t come up but if I backspaced till it said “Crooker” it would. This is a great way of finding songs with minor flaws in their data, and making this impossible in iTunes 11 is a BIG MISTAKE! Is there any way to get back the proper search functions or have they been “simplified” away forever? Do I really have to downgrade in order to have an application that works for a DJ with a lot of music?
Currently Being ModeratedJan 19, 2013 12:56 PM (in response to reubenfromsan diego)
reubenfromsan diego wrote:
- When you do a search in itunes 11, you cannot see songs with the search terms in the song title unless they contain the exact search term or the search term as the exact beginning letters of a word. .
Reuben - if you uncheck "Search Entire Library" search will work like it used to. For example, just typing "bro" brings up every song with the word "brother". It confines the search to whatever list you're looking at though - whether it's a playlist or your entire library ("music").
Currently Being ModeratedJan 20, 2013 12:15 AM (in response to Porf)
I am glad I am not the only one that thinks this is a mess.
It's time Apple made iTunes skinable like Winamp so we could skin to our prefered version.
Why is the RECOMMENDED SONGS colum buried in the display area of our album artwork area? Have you noticed on the first click to preview a song the screen jumps up a line or two and does not play then a second click actually plays the preview? very confusing if you click a few songs down, you can lose your place.
WHEN IS A BACK BUTTON NOT A BACK BUTTON, when it's iTunes version 11. For those that do not know go via one of your albums and click on IN THE STORE button, then choose a TOP ALBUM and play a preview, now click the back button and see where it takes you, not back to the TOP ALBUM list where you came from but you stay in the iStore, why is this? To get back to where you came from you have to go back to your own library, navigate back to your own album and click back to the IN THE STORE button, etc.
How has this release gone public? One of the first rules of programing websites is be predictable! same with software. Come on Apple your better than this.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 20, 2013 12:33 AM (in response to rustyintegrale)
19-Jan-2013 12:40 PM (in response to Salal_)
Well, i like it better, more organized and its less messy.
Well you're the founder member of a new club with a membership of one!
There’s many like Salal and I. People who don’t have a problem aren’t likely to post. I’m convinced there’ll be converts as users get used to it, and Apple continues to incrementally roll out iTunes 11.
I've used iTunes a lot since it came out. I’ve lived through some “glitchy” major upgrades, and was wary of this one. The upgrading process itself worked perfectly, which I believe is a first for me. Check. Gold Star, in fact.
The user experience is much more consistent with the overall Apple experience, which I’ve assumed has much to do with Jony Ive. Works for me. Check. Gold Star.
The fundamental user interface is simple, clean, and rational. Sensible. Easy to build on. It’s not perfect, but I can feel where they’re heading, and it’s going to get better. I’m liking the “library” button in store view, which the option to use a drop-down menu. Nice and clean. Check.
Like many, obviously, I’ve grown accustomed to the iTunes 10 interface. Especially the sidebar, my constant companion. I figured out how to turn it on. Then, I turned it off. I don’t miss it at all. Check.
Cover View? Never used it. Eye candy for some I supposed, it just got in my way. Get rid of it. Check.
Simpler and easier to scroll through a grid than to flick through some kind of virtual rolodex. The search bar is still there if you wish to go that route. More consistent with the iTunes store experience. I suspect a growing relationship between the two, with improved integration providing opportunities for a better overall “experience”. It’ll be an Apple experience for sure, which has it’s benefits and drawbacks. Check, with reservations.
My first reaction was "Where's this?" and "Where's that?". My irritation at having to learn a new system was balanced by the fun of learning a new system ;-) . iTunes 11 makes sense to me. A major upgrade for most because of fundamental changes. I suspect it’s easier than iTunes 10 for new and more casual users. It’s more visually and functionally integrated across the Apple platform. Again, check, with reservations. Too soon to call.
It's not perfect, and I’ve had (and still have) some issues. I had a problem downloading an album I purchased from the iTunes store. Others had the same problem with certain albums. My new buddy Masood from Apple fixed me up within an hour of contacting Apple. I’ve got the album now (Magical Mystery Tour, remastered with lots of great extras), but there’s still remnants of the original problem file somewhere in the “system”. Still to be resolved, but acceptable as is, so check, with reservations.
Then there's the album covers issue. Don't get me started. Fail.
I can go on, and may at some point, about iTunes and the music industry. I feel I’m moving toward a future where to get the full "experience" I have to purchase from the iTunes store. I’ve repurchased much of my collection, some albums/artists a few times over, and I have this “here we go again” feeling. But, there’s an upside. As long as I can still import my own songs and listen to them, I’ll give this a pass, but not a check.
I understand iTunes 11 has lost functionality fundamentally important to some users. I hope those are added in updates, perhaps with improvements. But Cover Flow? Seriously?
On balance, and given it's a first rtelease, I love iTunes 11. iTunes 10 already feels dated and old-fashioned, mostly for aesthetic reasons.
iTunes 11 feels like the future to me, and like it or not, it is.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 20, 2013 1:45 AM (in response to BopCat)
iTunes 11 feels like the future to me, and like it or not, it is.
Like it or not, you seem to have a sense of humour failure!
I sincerely hope iTunes 11 is not the future, because at the moment it's going backwards - fast.