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  • 225. Re: MAC Mail not saving all sent items
    Everic Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    schveiguy wrote:


    Mac mail loses sent messages, even if it doesn't do it every time and for every person.

    That is true. Here it did lose mainly messages with larger attachements and longer sending time.They are send as I found out. But they are not saved in the sent mail folder. Other mails are, what proves that the right folder is selected at the server and in the app. This does not only happen with yahoo accounts btw, it happens also on others.

     

    I will recieve a massive speed update next week and I am curious if this can cure the issue somehow. Anyway I am happy very happy with Postbox but unfortunately it is not going to be developed anymore, same with Thunderbird where Postbox is based on.

  • 226. Re: MAC Mail not saving all sent items
    schveiguy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    schveiguy wrote:

     

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    If it is not on the website then it is a server error and should be addressed to Yahoo tech support.

    You must have added this later, I didn't see it.

    No, one post only.

     

    Weird.  Even in my email, the notification does not include this second part.

     

    Csound1 wrote:


    Did you go and see if the sent mail is on the Yahoo server, (the question I asked), if you did what was the answer.

     

    As I stated in my earlier post, yes I did do this.  The answer is it's nowhere to be found in either Yahoo mail or Mac Mail.  Whether the root cause of the issue is Yahoo's server or Mac's mail program, it's the mail program's responsibility to make sure my data is not lost.  At that point, it is the only program that has in memory what I typed and sent, if it cannot add the mail to the sent folder, it should not throw that mail away.  Put it in a special local folder if the upload fails.  There is no way I would accept that Yahoo Mail's server is at fault, even if there is an error there.  This is the internet, stuff gets lost!  Heck, it even stores a COPY of what is on the server on my local computer, why not put it there, and mark it as not uploaded yet, then when it can successfully upload it, mark it as uploaded?

     

    These are not difficult problems to solve.

  • 227. Re: MAC Mail not saving all sent items
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,420 points)

    I gave up on Yahoo years ago because of unreliability, I see that it is the same as ever.

     

    Use the website if Yahoo won't play nice with Mail, or use a better email system.

  • 228. Re: MAC Mail not saving all sent items
    schveiguy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    I gave up on Yahoo years ago because of unreliability, I see that it is the same as ever.

     

    Use the website if Yahoo won't play nice with Mail, or use a better email system.

     

    Hah!  I've had this email for over 10 years   Even if it stinks, I'm kind of stuck with it.  It would be a very difficult task to change all my accounts that use it, and distribute my new email to all my contacts.  Not to mention (ironically) that my iOS developer contract with Apple is with this email, so I can't likely get rid of it, apple doesn't let you change that.

     

    I can get along OK at this point, funny that as long as I hear the swoosh, I know the mail went out.  So not having the sent mail is something I can deal with.  It's better than using the web version.  And it doesn't seem to happen to me as often as some others on this thread.  A more appealing solution is for Apple to handle this case properly.  Something I will work on at some point, I did purchase the Apple Care for my Laptop, so I have 2 more years to bug them...

  • 229. Re: MAC Mail not saving all sent items
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,420 points)

    Just forward all Yahoo mail to a new addess of your choice and use that. I still have an AOL address thats older than 10 years, it forwards any received mail to an account of my choice.

     

    It is not hard to get away of Yahoo, not at all.

  • 230. Re: MAC Mail not saving all sent items
    LateMacAdopter Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Csound1,

     

    Man, I can tell you know a lot about computers.  You obviously love Mac.  I, myself, would love to continue to. 

    Having said all that (and please don't take this as anger at you) - is it possible, just possible, that all these people having the same problem with this little-known "Yahoo" company are correct in some way? 

    Is that even possible?

     

    Are we all making it up?

     

    Your advice is to abandon Yahoo and not use Apple Mail.

    That's unacceptable.  This isn't a @erols or @aol account from 1993. 

     

    My iOS devices all seem to run fine with IMAP.  Mail seems to get sent, mail gets put in the sent folder at the yahoo server.

    I am not out to get Mac - I just want basic f-ing functionality.

     

    schveiguy's points way too logical...is that the problem here?

    It seems like there isn't, anywhere, either an admission or an acceptance of the possibility that some fraction of users are experiencing the same and chronic problems with Apple Mail.

    Am I holding the Iphone 4 the wrong way?  Do I need to hold it differently for the antenna to work?

     

    Frustrated.  Dude, find us a solution and I will send you a check/paypal you $25.  If in two months it still works - I have emails over IMAP, using Yahoo, and sent emails are kept both by Apple Mail and Yahoo on the server...I will send another $25.  I really mean that...I promise. 

  • 231. Re: MAC Mail not saving all sent items
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,420 points)

    LateMacAdopter wrote:

     

    Csound1,

     

    Man, I can tell you know a lot about computers.  You obviously love Mac.  I, myself, would love to continue to. 

    Having said all that (and please don't take this as anger at you) - is it possible, just possible, that all these people having the same problem with this little-known "Yahoo" company are correct in some way? 

    Is that even possible?

     

    Are we all making it up?

     

    Your advice is to abandon Yahoo and not use Apple Mail.

    That's unacceptable.  This isn't a @erols or @aol account from 1993. 

     

    My iOS devices all seem to run fine with IMAP.  Mail seems to get sent, mail gets put in the sent folder at the yahoo server.

    I am not out to get Mac - I just want basic f-ing functionality.

     

    schveiguy's points way too logical...is that the problem here?

    It seems like there isn't, anywhere, either an admission or an acceptance of the possibility that some fraction of users are experiencing the same and chronic problems with Apple Mail.

    Am I holding the Iphone 4 the wrong way?  Do I need to hold it differently for the antenna to work?

     

    Frustrated.  Dude, find us a solution and I will send you a check/paypal you $25.  If in two months it still works - I have emails over IMAP, using Yahoo, and sent emails are kept both by Apple Mail and Yahoo on the server...I will send another $25.  I really mean that...I promise. 

    You know how I feel about Yahoo, it's junk, use something else.

     

    and

     

    Did you stop to consider "that all these people having the same problem with this little-known "Yahoo" company are correct in some way? "

    are having the issue because of Yahoo, there are 2 consistent items, Yahoo and Mail, you have decided that it is caused by Mail, why?

     

    I don't get the problem with any email account attached to my copy of Mail, the only difference is I never use POP, and I never use Yahoo for more than it takes to test a claim.

  • 232. Re: MAC Mail not saving all sent items
    LateMacAdopter Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    This isn't just a problem in Yahoo.

    And, again, why...why...why isn't it kept somewhere in my Apple Mail sent folder on my computer if it is sent?

    Answer that simple question.  I'd actually like to hear the technical reason, not the "don't use yahoo" version of the answer.

    Schveiguy is looking to hear the same answer.

  • 233. Re: MAC Mail not saving all sent items
    schveiguy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    Just forward all Yahoo mail to a new addess of your choice and use that. I still have an AOL address thats older than 10 years, it forwards any received mail to an account of my choice.

     

    It is not hard to get away of Yahoo, not at all.

     

    First, it costs $ for Yahoo to forward my mail (requires Yahoo mail plus).

     

    Second, there is the distinct real possibility that this happens with whatever mail provider I pick.  There are quite a few posts on this thread saying it happens with non-yahoo accounts.  That means I would have spent all this time changing my email, and still have the same issue.  Then I really WOULD be mad.

     

    But that is not the real issue.  The real issue is that Mac Mail should (and can easily) make SURE my mail is not lost, regardless of the server it uses.  There are enough hints on this thread that can help Apple find the problem.  I think it can be fixed and should be.  Most mail programs are robust enough to handle mail servers that aren't perfect, and even well implemented mail servers cannot avoid being affected by network problems, disk problems, whatever.  Bottom line, Mail should not rely on the server as the only storage location for sent mail, it has a nice fat backed-up disk to use which is not dependent on the network.  There really is no excuse for this problem.

  • 234. Re: MAC Mail not saving all sent items
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,420 points)

    I have already told you that I believe the fault is with Yahoo, nothing here changes that so we will have to agree to disagree.

     

    Perhaps you have Yahoo's advice on the issue?

  • 235. Re: MAC Mail not saving all sent items
    schveiguy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    You can believe that, I  agree with you that it is possible.  And yet even if it IS Yahoo's fault, it is STILL Mac Mail's fault for not allowing me to recover those messages that it clearly is the only party left holding.  It does not take much effort to do this.

     

    I have no doubt that Yahoo could have issues.  I don't fully blame Mac Mail, but there is a point at which your local program has to acknowledge that this is the Internet, stuff gets lost.  Don't throw it away, especially until you have verified it's stored where you think it should be.

     

    In any case, this discussion is becoming fruitless, I can agree with that.  I think what is needed is some incontrovertable evidence that Apple mail is misbehaving (even if in reaction to a mail server misbehaving), and when I get that, I will return here with that.

  • 236. Re: MAC Mail not saving all sent items
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,420 points)

    Mac Mail does keep a local copy of your mail (unless you deselected that option) but if the server loses the mail and Mail is synchronized with the server, what do you think happens? and how does that look any different than if Mail lost it, you get the same result.

     

    Backup regularly.

     

    If you use Time Machine, go back and look for it.

  • 237. Re: MAC Mail not saving all sent items
    bluesbreaker1962 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Can you please stop going on with this stupid drivel ! I am getting all of your **** filling up my email box

    Thank you

  • 238. Re: MAC Mail not saving all sent items
    LateMacAdopter Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    You "believe" it is yahoo's fault.  Why?  How does that help explain the other IMAP users with other email providers?

    You don't like yahoo, but you like Apple...soooo, it must be yahoo's fault.  Nice.  Except for a bunch of gmail/aol and other users with the same issues.

     

    http://kb.mediatemple.net/questions/230/Common+issues+with+Apple+Mail#gs/sent-me ssages-not-saved

     

    So, back to this:

     

     

     

    This isn't just a problem in Yahoo.

    And, again, why...why...why isn't it kept somewhere in my Apple Mail sent folder on my computer if it is sent?

    Answer that simple question.  I'd actually like to hear the technical reason, not the "don't use yahoo" version of the answer.

    Schveiguy is looking to hear the same answer.

  • 239. Re: MAC Mail not saving all sent items
    schveiguy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I don't see the "keep a local copy of my sent mail" checkbox.  All I see is "store sent items on the server", which I have checked.  In advanced, I have "Keep copies of all messages and their attachments".  Yes, I could say store sent messages on my local machine, and I likely would not have a problem with sent mail being lost, but then I don't have access to it from the web interface or from my iPhone.  There are other options I could also use, like automatically BCC or CC myself.

     

    The 5 seconds it takes for the combination of Mail and the Server to lose my sent email unfortunately is too fine a time in order for Time Machine to catch it!  I wish it was something as simple as that.  The email never shows up in Mail's interface or the server's interface.  Once it is sent, it's gone.

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