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Editing from Boot Drive?? Apple says yes.

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rich montgomery Calculating status...
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Jan 26, 2013 3:44 PM

In dealing with Final Cut Pro X's Pro Apps team I was told something by TWO different Pro Apps people I find troubling. They each stated that you should ALWAYS edit fotage (meaning keep your projects and events) on the INTERNAL BOOT DRIVE. This would provide the best performance and is how FCP X is designed to work. I am not kidding or misunderstanding. I even clarified this to make sure we are clear between a second internal drive and the actual boot drive handling the OS. I was told "in the new 64 bit architecture, FCP X is designed to edit from the same drive the OS is on, the only issue is storage space". It was then reiterated that this is the best way to use FCP X. I even explained that if I was using some kind of consumer level format, I could see doing this, and explained I shoot in AVCCAM 1080p. Apparently what format you use does not matter either, it is designed to handle anything I was assured. So, my 3  year old MacBook Pro will edit RAW 4K footage from the boot drive? I am amazed!

 

  Sadly, the solution provided to my FCP X issue is "wipe the hard drive completely and start over." This after paying $99.00 for the Pro Apps support and talking to no less than 8 people. I am certain none of the Pro Apps folks I talked to really understood what I am even dealing with.

 

  Their Pro Care is not what it used to be, although the person who told me this said he has been doing this for 7 years. Unbelievable.

 

Comments?

MacBook Pro (15-inch Mid 2009), OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.2), G Drive for editing, 1TB, 7200rpm.
  • Tom Wolsky Level 10 Level 10 (104,630 points)
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    Jan 26, 2013 4:01 PM (in response to rich montgomery)

    I was told something by TWO different Pro Apps people I find troubling

     

    Please give exact information about who these people are and how you reached them.

  • digibudII Level 2 Level 2 (395 points)
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    Jan 26, 2013 5:14 PM (in response to rich montgomery)

       that's a shame but not a shocker.  apple turned the lights off in the "pro" room and didn't look back. I doubt FCPx will ever be turned into a pro app but will probably always be a prosumer kind of thing.

  • Paul Figgiani Level 3 Level 3 (785 points)
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    Jan 27, 2013 6:45 AM (in response to rich montgomery)

    Rich,

     

    What was the issue that you needed to resolve regarding FCPX?

     

    -paul.

  • Paul Figgiani Level 3 Level 3 (785 points)
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    Jan 27, 2013 9:41 AM (in response to rich montgomery)

    Rich,

     

    I'm sorry you are going through this. The reason why your post sparked my interest was due to your AVCCAM reference. I shoot AVCCAM 1080p 24 with a Panasonic HMC-150 camera ...

     

    ... I'm running FCPX on a 2006 MacPro/10.7.5 - 8 gigs of RAM. ATI 5770 1 gig card. The machine has 4 internal hard drives. My only issue  with this system is Multicam. It runs very choppy, even when switching to available Proxy files. Otherwise - the environment is rock solid. In fact I have background rendering turned off. I'm able to work in RT without rendering. There are a few plugins and transitions that cause choppy playback. This is to be expected, and the choppiness goes away after rendering. I have my Playback Preference set to Optimized/Better Performance.

     

    Most of the time my clips are copied from the card to the Events(s) folder(s) located on the internal Media drive. On a few occasions I've imported clips that were located on the system drive without copying the files to the Media drive. I didn't notice any difference in system performance. Granted I'm not cutting docs or films with extended durations that include a large amount of complex effects. OTOH for the type of stuff that I do - never had a problem.

     

    I haven't tested this, but ... I'm not so sure a FW800 drive is suitable for stable performance. If someone has any insight on this I would love to hear it.

     

    When you import clips are you copying the source files into the Events(s) folder(s)? Have you tried switching your Playback Preference to Proxy?

  • Tom Wolsky Level 10 Level 10 (104,630 points)
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    Jan 27, 2013 10:14 AM (in response to rich montgomery)

    Thanks for the detailed report. Have you posted it to feedback?

     

    1) You can't just force quit the app Opt-Cmd-Escape? You have to hard reboot the computer?

     

    2) You're a liitle short of RAM. I assume you're not running anything else at the same time.

     

    3) What's the graphics card? Failing renders and bad renders may be a graphics card problem. I doubt it's the drive, but you could try without the drives connected in a new user on in case there's some user specific software conflict.

  • Tom Wolsky Level 10 Level 10 (104,630 points)
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    Jan 27, 2013 10:53 AM (in response to rich montgomery)

    Pro Apps support aint so pro anymore.

     

    It never has been, or pro apps support in the retail stores. The pro apps tech who told you he was using the internal drive of his computer for seven years has probably been telling customers the same thing for seven years.

     

    but you cannot upgrade RAM in a MacBook pro.

     

    You can in a 2009 MBP. Easily. Well not easily, but it's not hard. I can do it, so your probably can to.

     

    I don't think the graphics tests they run are sufficient for this type of problem, especially if its software related interacting with the graphics card. See thread on the 680MX graphics card in the new iMacs. I'm sure they all test out perfectly.

     

    I'd urge you to report the whole problem with details on your hardware to feedback. That goes to the actual FCP engineeers not to support.

  • Tom Wolsky Level 10 Level 10 (104,630 points)
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    Jan 27, 2013 11:18 AM (in response to rich montgomery)

    Ah right the machines with two nVidia graphics cards. I've seen problems with them in the past.

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