10 Replies Latest reply: Jan 28, 2013 2:09 PM by Frank Caggiano
Edmundo Butler Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

How can I create a series of web ready images in A3.4.3 WITHOUT exporting versions of each image individually to the desktop and then importing those versions back to A3 so that I can access them later? I don't want to "Export", I want to to resize and then use the images when I am ready. Surely if A3 is capable of producing a resized image it doesn't make sense that this product can ONLY be saved outside of the application?


MacBook Air, Mac OS X (10.7.4)
  • 1. Re: Saving a web ready version of an image within A3 as it is produced?
    Kirby Krieger Level 6 Level 6 (11,915 points)

    Just create Versions you want/need -- Versions are minuscule compared to image-format files -- and export them when you want/need share-able files.  You might put the Versions in an Album, and make the "web-ready" Versions the Album Picks of the Version Stacks in that Album.

     

    You general workflow with Aperture is:

    - import

    - make the Image as good as it can be for each use

    - add metadata (mostly to help you find and organize)

    - export _when you need_ a share-able file.

  • 2. Re: Saving a web ready version of an image within A3 as it is produced?
    léonie Level 9 Level 9 (51,645 points)
    it doesn't make sense that this product can ONLY be saved outside of the application?

     

    It makes a lot of sense this is at the heart of Aperture's lossless workflow. Aperture will store the best quality image it has and will export lower resolution versions as needed to be used outside Aperture. There are several readymade export presets for many different types of export formats.

     

    From Aperture's lossless strategy point of view there is no need to store a low resolution image in addition to the high resolution original inside Aperture.

     

    Regards

    Léonie

  • 3. Re: Saving a web ready version of an image within A3 as it is produced?
    Edmundo Butler Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    So I create a version that looks good for the web in a "Web" album and export as needed?  Why can't I store that product for later use to avoid constantly exporting and naming etc. and to facilitate upload into emails etc.The current software seems to oblige me to export a version to my desktop (for instance) every time I want to include it in an email or post it to the web OR, otherwise import it from the desktop for storage in A3 for easy access.

     

    I don't see that there's any risk of loss of information here, rather the inverse: we are creating a larger library so as to avoid the need to redo theconversion process every time we need a similar image. Perhaps I am missing something... as so often happens. Thanks for your help.

  • 4. Re: Saving a web ready version of an image within A3 as it is produced?
    Edmundo Butler Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Basically I'm asking, how can I make a web friendly image from an original and save it in the same album without going outside the Application?

  • 5. Re: Saving a web ready version of an image within A3 as it is produced?
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,800 points)

    Edmundo Butler wrote:

     

    So I create a version that looks good for the web in a "Web" album and export as needed? 

    Correct.

     

    Why can't I store that product for later use to avoid constantly exporting and naming etc. and to facilitate upload into emails etc.

    You can create a folder on your system and export to that. Then when you need the image use it. But this is defeating the whole concept of a Digital Asset Manager (DAM)

     

    The current software seems to oblige me to export a version to my desktop (for instance) every time I want to include it in an email or post it to the web

    You can email directly from Aperture see File->Share->Email. As for posting it to the web depends on what 'posting' here means. If ti is with Filckr or FaceBook or iCloude you can do that from within Aperture. For other uses you will need to export it (or use the image you saved in the folder above)

     

    OR, otherwise import it from the desktop for storage in A3 for easy access.

    Not sure what this refers to. The image is in Aperture why would you export it and then import it again.

     

    I don't see that there's any risk of loss of information here, rather the inverse: we are creating a larger library so as to avoid the need to redo theconversion process every time we need a similar image. Perhaps I am missing something... as so often happens. Thanks for your help.

    Yes I do believe you are missing the point of a DAM. It manages your images, As Kirby wrote above version do not take up an significant space in the library so you're not creating a larger library by saving the web ready version in Aperture, In fact if you export that image and then import it again then you will be wasting space because that newly imported image will actually take up space in the library.

     

    regards

  • 6. Re: Saving a web ready version of an image within A3 as it is produced?
    léonie Level 9 Level 9 (51,645 points)

    Why can't I store that product for later use to avoid constantly exporting and naming etc. and to facilitate upload into emails etc.

    That is what "Export presets" are for. Define a preset, that uses the pixelsize you want, and define a renaming preset you want.

    If you really want to store the product inside Aperture - and are willing to use additional disk space- reimport the exported image file.

  • 7. Re: Saving a web ready version of an image within A3 as it is produced?
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,800 points)

    Edmundo Butler wrote:

     

    Basically I'm asking, how can I make a web friendly image from an original and save it in the same album without going outside the Application?

    Import the image, do whatever work to it you need to; add metadata, adjust the image, etc. Now if you want to use it on the web export it, If you want to save this version as the web version do Photos->Duplicate Version (remember versions take up little space in the library) and name is somthing like xxxx Final Web version. Youcould also apply a keyword say webReady. Now if you want one place for all your web ready images create an album call it Web Images and move this version into it.

     

    Later on when you want ot find all your web ready images you could look in the album of search for all images with the keyword webReady.

  • 8. Re: Saving a web ready version of an image within A3 as it is produced?
    Edmundo Butler Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    So I cannot save the (typically) 50kb file in Aperture (A.) because the designers figured I it would be a space issue? I just want to save my 50kb. web version of my 1.3MB images alongside each other so I do not have to reprocess the original every time I need it in the web environment and do not understand how anyone would see this as a space issue.

     

    if you want to use it on the web export it, If you want to save this version as the web version do Photos->Duplicate Version

     

    It seems the simplest workaround is to Eport the original to a folder outside of A3 and then drag or Import that image into A. again. I can then access it through the dropdown menus of other software. I don't get why A. can't save a copy of the image it creates, especially given that is often very small relative to the hard drive space available to the average A. user.

     

    I could save these web images in a folder on my sysyem outside of A. but then I'm working with two sets of software instead of one in order to save 50kb. Seems like the time saved in allowing us to save those exported images in A. would easily offset the cost of diskspace used in storing them.

  • 9. Re: Saving a web ready version of an image within A3 as it is produced?
    Kirby Krieger Level 6 Level 6 (11,915 points)

    Leaping into the roiled moat surrounding Mt. Aperture ... .

     

    Edmundo -- It will probably help you to stop thinking of _files_ and to start thinking in terms of images (which, for the moment, we are not going to exactly define).  Aperture stores Images, and the instructions to make files of those Images.  In terms of computational and storage efficiency, this is brilliant.  Aperture is stunningly full of possibilities, while remaining usable on our current hardware.  That you _do not_ store individual image-format files for:

    - the Web

    - emailing

    - printing at home

    - printing professionally

    - entering in contests

    - using as a screensaver

    - etc.

    is a _feature_.  Aperture holds all of that as possibility, with minimum storage. It only creates image-format files when you need them.

     

    If you do need the same exact file often, just (as Frank mentions) stick it somewhere.  But note that it is not in any way attached to or part of Aperture.  So if you actually want to tweak it a little for your current use ("That's nice, but the sky is white on my monitor ... ", you have to go back to Aperture.

     

    Note that Versions hold decisions mostly related to making the Image as good as possible for your use.  File parameters (format, pixel dimensions, compression, etc.) are applied at export, via an Image Export Preset ("Aperture➞Presets➞Image Export ... ").  Note, too -- if you haven't -- that the first Image that shows after you import a file is the first Version (when you duplicate this Version, you will see "Version 2" appended to the Version name).

     

    Work with Images and Versions in Aperture to create the possibility of files you use with other programs (or print).  Then export (or print) when you want to use a file (or printed image) outside Aperture.

     

    (Added:)

    Another way to think of it: Aperture stores no inventory.  It stores raw materials, and instructions.  When you want an item (a file) you tell Aperture to make it.  The manufactured file is _not_ stored in Aperture.  You can, of course, store it if you'd like.  Or sell it.  Or give it away.  Or use it as raw material to make something else.

     

    Message was edited by: Kirby Krieger

  • 10. Re: Saving a web ready version of an image within A3 as it is produced?
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,800 points)

    I'm not sure what part of your explanation isn't being clear enough. When you make the change's to the image you want to use on the web then that image is in Aperture and is saved. Why would you want to export it and re-import it when it is already in Aperture.

     

    You're misunderstanding of this fundamental workings of Aperture indicate that you are new to the program and most likely new to DAM's. You need to take some time with the user manual especially the first part that describes the library and how Aperture works . There is also a good user tip in the User Tips section that will explain this.

     

    good luck

     

    regards