Currently Being ModeratedJan 17, 2013 5:21 PM (in response to gen_)
Hopefully this will come as some good news for most of you, but I have been told to expect the Mountain Lion update within the next two weeks. This is the update that has the Core Audio fix that addresses the Logic Pro lag problem, as well as problems with other apps using graphics associated with audio.
Mark, the problem has been that Apple has hierarchies of technical staff, Mountain Lion being at the top, and Logic being a lower-positioned staff (for obvious reasons.) The lag issue is not Logic-based, but Mountain Lion, and the Logic team had to go out of their way to show the ML team this was a terrible problem. That proved difficult. But they did finally do so, and a fix, again, will be available within two weeks.
I'm pretty cynical at this point about Apple as well, although I do have faith that there are passionate and talented people working there, and that there are a great many still passionately connected to the development of Logic Pro. What has me down is just how wildly destructive the last two operating systems have been to the professional user's experience, and how long it's taken Apple to take the problems seriously enough to push for a fix. The problem has definitely been in existence since Lion, so we're talking well over a year and a half. right?
BTW, it's not just Logic Pro that has problems, I also have constant trouble with my Apogee Ensemble, and for many months have been back and forth trying to figure out what the problem could be. Well... during my last chat with a technician, after receiving a replacement that showed the same symptoms, it was suggested to me that I should just go back to Snow Leopard, and confirmed to me as well that as more people are upgrading their os to Mountain Lion, Apogee are getting more complaints like mine.
I'm still also of the opinion that it's not only a Mac issue - as we transition into more touch-oriented interfaces there are problems developing around the old way to use the computer and legacy hardware. But I am disappointed in Apple, because I always beleived they had all their users in mind when they developed their software and hardware. I thought they took pains to dot all their i's and cross their t's. ****, that's one of the reasons why they keep everything under so much control, right? Well, apparently not anymore.
When the update comes I'll be really happy, but I'm also not going to hold my breath.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 20, 2013 6:01 AM (in response to Fredo Viola)
Even if the lag issue is fixed in an upcoming OS X release, how can be trust in short-time fixes for future major issues.
The question is if OS X and/or Logic is a reliable platform for professional use.
In my opinion Apple has to drop thier non-information policy for severe issues in order to keep the pro users on OS X.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 20, 2013 3:00 PM (in response to Nusskappe)
I agree, Nusskappe. And also, I'm learning to use DP, because I do think it's important to have another app to fall back on. There have been so many years of bugs sitting in Logic now, it's been extremely damaging to my opinion of the way Apple is treating this app and it's users. That said, I've had some contact with the Logic Pro team that fills me with optimism. As well, I'm not sure how much of the problems I've been having with Logic Pro have only to do with problems with Mountain Lion, so it's a really difficult situation. No way I'm moving to PC.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 20, 2013 3:31 PM (in response to Fredo Viola)
In defense of PC's... If you educate yourself (speaking generally, not to any one person) a little bit, and build a PC yourself, Windows 7 is a fine, highly efficient operating system, I have a single processor Mac Pro and a custom built PC and they are equally stable, the PC has far more grunt with the only basic difference between the two computers being the operating system. The PC is my studio workhorse the Mac is for me and my dabblings.
If you buy a consumer PC off the shelf, you are asking for trouble, some will work but you have to know what to purchase.
Besides.. a Mac is a PC, nowdays, so in one sense, you've already moved!
Currently Being ModeratedJan 24, 2013 4:09 PM (in response to Pancenter)
Looks like the latest 10.8.3 beta seeded update includes a potential fix:
A fix for an issue that may cause Logic Pro to become unresponsive when using certain plug-ins
10.8.3 should be out soon then.. Fingers crossed everyone.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 26, 2013 8:38 AM (in response to SmokenSound)
On my 12D54 the whole Logic don't lag. For past week I've been able to stop playback with spacebar immediately.
But interface in Logic's built-in plugins still may lag. In Compressor, Multipressor... Maybe it's just my cpu (i7-2820QM).
Currently Being ModeratedJan 30, 2013 9:42 AM (in response to SoMuchHnng)
I got some bad news this morning from my connection at Apple. First of all, the Mountain Lion update has been delayed for some reason, he assumes they've discovered some bug. Second of all, apparently some plugins will still cause lagginess. We shall see of course, and it's best not to panic until the sofware update, but... egads. There really shouldn't be a limit to which plugins we use. No plugin if it's native to the app, or from a reputable 3rd party should cause lag, imo.
Another disappointment is that a thread seems to have been deleted in which we have all be communicating about this issue. When I try to access "Logic 9's UI extremely laggy - any fixes?" it tells me "It appears you're not allowed to view what you requested. You might contact your administrator if you think this is a mistake." I did a search in the forums and no such thread shows up anymore. Whhaaaa??
Currently Being ModeratedJan 30, 2013 9:47 AM (in response to Fredo Viola)
Weird, I can still access that thread just fine. I do notice that some of the recent posts have been edited by Apple moderators though. It probably doesn't help that most of the recent discussion on that thread has been about what software to use instead of Logic.
Currently Being ModeratedJan 30, 2013 9:52 AM (in response to Fredo Viola)
Thanks for keeping everyone in the loop Fredo.
Approaching the upside of the two year mark with the onset of this "issue" and lack of importance to "fix". All things said and done, that tells me everything I need to know about Apple/Logic Pro's slow but premeditated departure from the realm of pro audio anything. Really sad. Logic Pro was an absolutely incredible DAW on many levels at one point in history.
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