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How to balance out volume changes in Logic Pro 9?

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bkaunitz Calculating status...
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Feb 2, 2013 9:40 AM

So I have a song that I'm working on in Logic Pro 9, and it begins pretty chill with just a few instruments, mainly clean guitars and no drums, but a little while in, the full band kicks in, with a ton of guitars, full drums, bass, etc., and as soon as it does, the volume goes way up. Is there like a compressor setting or something i could do to make it stay a little balanced and the same volume wise throughout? thanks.

OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.2), my OP is 10.8.2
  • Edgar Level 3 Level 3 (965 points)
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    Feb 2, 2013 10:38 AM (in response to bkaunitz)

    Yes, the procedure is called "moving your faders".

     

    Use the fader automation to get the balance right between the tracks. If you havent worked with automation before and this is new to you, I have a free Automation tutorial explaining all the details about automation to let you understand the concept and procedures. The pdf is for an earlier Logic version, but the concepts are basically the same.

    http://http://dingdingmusic.com/DingDing/ManualsFree.html

     

    Yes, a Compressor is another tool to handle dynamics. I would also recommend to read up on that topic before just use the plug in. There are tons of YouTube videos out there explaing how they work and how to use them.

     

     

    Hope that helps

     

    Edgar Rothermich

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  • Edgar Level 3 Level 3 (965 points)
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    Feb 2, 2013 11:35 AM (in response to bkaunitz)

    What you are describing is a typical secanrio and the typical solution is to mix the intro louder than the instrument would sound compared to when the whole band is playing. So your goal is to even out the dynamaic, therefore you are your own "compressor". A compressor would just doing that automatically with less control (but other advantages).

    You object is not to control the dynamic of a single track or the whole master, you have to set the individual balance between the instruments and between different sections of your song. THat is why I'm refering to faders and fader automation.

     

    A limiter is helpful when used correctly but not the right tool in this situation.

  • Pancenter Level 5 Level 5 (7,505 points)
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    Feb 2, 2013 12:43 PM (in response to bkaunitz)

    I pretty much agree with Edgar top to bottom however, there is an alternate solution.

     

    This would come in the mastering phase, I've done this several times on my own mixes and on client's mixes.

     

    Anyone that has even modest mastering chops can bring up the level of the first part in a natural way, in fact I find it pretty easy to do this on any good 2-track (stereo) editor... I've used SoundForge on a PC since version 1 (it's on v10 now) and this kind of editing is very simple. There are several decent inexpensive Mac editors out there, it can even be done as a premastering edit, just keep everything at 24-bit.

     

    The problem I see using a compressor is you seem happy with the mix, a compressor is going to mess with that happiness. Not necessarily in a bad way but it will be different. If you try a compressor on the master bus set the ratio low 2.0:1.

  • Pancenter Level 5 Level 5 (7,505 points)
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    Feb 2, 2013 1:30 PM (in response to Edgar)

    You can always tell when I have a lot of music to learn for a gig, I come here and post a lot....... :-/

     

    Anyway, besides the 2.0:1 ration set the Threshold so that it only comes into play (a small amount) on the loud part. Do not use auto gain makeup, set that level by hand, you can use auto release if you're not familiar with that function, how it's used is very dependent on the source material.

  • chorleyman Level 4 Level 4 (1,415 points)
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    Feb 2, 2013 2:29 PM (in response to bkaunitz)

    bkaunitz wrote:

     

    *sigh* Yes, I'm quite familiar with just moving that faders. I meant something more automatic. I'm happy with my mixes in both sections, I just want it to automatically even out, and I know there's a way to do that.

    Take it easy and don't go for jumping ahead too fast - Edgar and Pancenter have given you a direction to look in..

     

    You're talking about evening the overall level out of a particular piece of music, so the first and most obvious way is to do it in the mix, probably using automation, you definitely have to listen and change what you're listening to like that first of all.

     

    When you move onto the next stage, then you should be thinking about using mastering tools, which may involve compression and limiting, but the temptation is to go too far with those if you're not careful - if you think about the mix first and then use mastering tools that are as tranparent as possible (in other words, they don't actually change the sound of your mix that much - you should have done that bit first - the finishing tools are a subtle refinement). I'm only just learning about this stuff myself after quite a long time being involved in trying to produce my own music, but I do know that no-one will be able to give you one simple answer for your question, its an ongoing process that you're either involved in or not.

  • The Art Of Sound Level 5 Level 5 (5,650 points)

    Pancenter wrote:

     

    You can always tell when I have a lot of music to learn for a gig, I come here and post a lot....... :-/

     

    You too huh?

     

  • Pancenter Level 5 Level 5 (7,505 points)

    The Art Of Sound wrote:

     

    Pancenter wrote:

     

    You can always tell when I have a lot of music to learn for a gig, I come here and post a lot....... :-/

     

    You too huh?

     

     

    Procrastination becomes much easier if I occupy my mind/brain with puzzles. 

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