Skip navigation

What are your thoughts on the New iTunes 11?

112931 Views 1,597 Replies Latest reply: Mar 19, 2014 11:37 AM by Mark Block RSS Branched to a new discussion.
  • pegaudet Calculating status...
    Currently Being Moderated
    Feb 3, 2013 10:12 AM (in response to Mark Block)

    Mark Block wrote:

     

    That's an good trick I might want to use (but very rarely). I find that if iTunes 11 is set for searching with "Entire Library" deselected, it's intuitive and very similar to iTunes 10.

     

     

    I agree with your statement of context switching (change from album view to song view automatically)...

     

    But doesn't it seem odd to you that "revert to version 10 way of doing things" has become a bit of a cure-for-all-ailments type of solution for itunes 11?

     

    In the searching department of features list, Apple made a bit of a blunder when they default to "search everything everywhere including the cloud" and you have to discover or be told you have to click on the magnifying glass, then deselect "search entire library".... and what happens if you deselect it for one purpose and forget to turn it back on for something else?

     

    From a usability point of view, it would make more sense to have it always default to your local and current view for both performance and habituation reasons and have a prominent control in the results list that says "also search your entire library" which would do what the current default of searching your entire library does.

  • double_ohh7 Calculating status...
    Currently Being Moderated
    Feb 3, 2013 10:24 AM (in response to pegaudet)

    Speaking for myself I reverted to 10.7 because 11 is just way too much.  All I want to do is have my music in one organised place and be able to make some playlists and easily find a track I might have forgotten about.  11 has overcomplicated everything.  It's ok to not like it.  I don't like FCP X either, or iPhoto 11.

  • Mark Block Calculating status...
    Currently Being Moderated
    Feb 3, 2013 10:37 AM (in response to pegaudet)

    pegaudet wrote:

     

    ... With version 10, I can pick my "most neglected" playlist, then group that playlist by genre. One evening I felt like listening to blues, so I played the blues songs. Another night I felt like rock, so I caught up on my rock music. It was very easy to do with version 10 because I could target specific music in a specific playlist.

    Pegaudet, your use of Smart Playlists is much more clever and imaginative that what I use iTunes for. I do use Smart Playlists sometimes, but typically I just play albums all the way through -- the old-fashioned way that the artists intended their music to be heard. When I'm not doing that, I'm playing DJ -- also the old fashioned way -- doing a search and cueing up a new song when the song I'm playing triggers an idea for the next song. Having great search functions is important to me, and as I've said many times, Cover Flow made searching easier. I also use Pandora to create a "radio station" that allows me to discover new music rather than play songs I own.

     

    But as to your question, can't you just sort on the Genre column in your Smart Playlist? That will group all the genres together. At that point, you can either click on the top track within whatever genre you want to play, or you can quickly select the tracks of a particluar genre and right click to get to the "Add to Up Next" option. The targeted music will then play via Up Next, which can be manually rearranged within the Up Next dropdown. Alternately, you can right-click to choose "New Playlist from Selection." Now you have a Playlist you can shuffle or manually rearrange. Play it as long as you want, then delete it when it's played out. That's only a couple of mouse clicks and maybe 15 seconds of work to go from a huge Smart Playlist to a new Playlist containing only your desired subsection.

  • Mark Block Level 2 Level 2 (270 points)
    Currently Being Moderated
    Feb 3, 2013 10:43 AM (in response to pegaudet)

    pegaudet wrote:

     

    But doesn't it seem odd to you that "revert to version 10 way of doing things" has become a bit of a cure-for-all-ailments type of solution for itunes 11?

    At least Apple offers options. That's a good thing. We can use the new UI as is, which I find a bit dumb but which many people -- including reviewers in the tech press -- seem to like; or we can easily choose options that bring the best parts of the old UI back. Except for [cough, cough] Cover Flow.

  • pegaudet Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Currently Being Moderated
    Feb 3, 2013 11:11 AM (in response to Mark Block)

    Mark Block wrote:

     

    Pegaudet, your use of Smart Playlists is much more clever and imaginative that what I use iTunes for. I do use Smart Playlists sometimes, but typically I just play albums all the way through ............

     

    But as to your question, can't you just sort on the Genre column in your Smart Playlist? That will group all the genres together. At that point, you can either click on the top track within whatever genre you want to play, or you can quickly select the tracks of a particluar genre and right click to get to the "Add to Up Next" option. .......

    Mark,

     

    Yeah, those smart playlists of mine are by far my preferred method of listening to music... I also play albums end to end sometimes (especially the gapless ones like Pink Floyd's "The Wall") when I can, but the variety and somewhat unpredicatability are key to my listening (I find I can get extremely tired of certain artists very quickly when I listen to too many of their songs too close together, so they make good fillers). I'm also weird by the fact that I like jumping between incompatible genres like heavy metal to classical to country in 3 songs. It took me a while and a lot of experimentation, but I can't listen to my library any other way now.

     

    I think part of the problem for me is that it can become daunting to go in list mode, sort by genre as you suggested, etc, when I have a lot of songs to go through. The bigger haystack, the harder it is to find the needles even if there is a small pile of needles. And to make matters worse, your suggestion of creating a separate smaller playlist, even if it's 10, 15 seconds becomes yet another playlist I have to manage (I already have about 40 or 50 of them in 15 folders or so, virtually all are used for one purpose or another) and in some cases, I might decide after a few songs I want to jump ship and pick another genre. Hardly trivial if I'm making supper and I want to dart over to the computer for a few seconds to change my mind.

     

    My frustration for lack of view by genre in a playlist would probably be similar to your frustration over lack of cover flow... No, I think if I was forced to upgrade to version 11, I'd have to create a whole new set of playlists based on that one to limit by specific genres... A pain to set up but (the consolation being I could have several genres lumped together like including "big band" in with "jazz" and)  it would be fairly quick to switch afterward.

  • pegaudet Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Currently Being Moderated
    Feb 3, 2013 11:34 AM (in response to Mark Block)

    Mark Block wrote:

     

    At least Apple offers options. That's a good thing. We can use the new UI as is, which I find a bit dumb but which many people -- including reviewers in the tech press -- seem to like; or we can easily choose options that bring the best parts of the old UI back. Except for [cough, cough] Cover Flow.

     

    Yeah, I'm also on the "it's a bit dumb" side of the fence. Also, options and choice are  a good thing. I think what bothers me the most about this new version is the fact that some things are just not intutitive to use and backwards by default to boot.

     

    The search which claimed to be faster and better when it first came out turned into what could be considered a bit of a PR nightmare for Apple. People claiming typing the first letter would produce the pinwheel for 30 seconds before it came back. Again, that comes back to the notion that it defaults to "search your entire library" and not everone will clue in on the fact that clicking the magnifying glass will provide a pop up menu to limit the searching to your current view. That's providing one choice that appears hard to use and hiding the ability to change it to another choice.

     

    I think more than anything, people are generally unhappy with version 11 because it seems to walk away from the intuitive design Apple built their reputation on.

     

    I know apple is not likely to go for such an idea, but a preferences panel that looks like it came straight from **** is probably the only way they can make itunes usable to the most number of people and letting people trudge through endless options in one place to tweak it their way, would get over some of the usability problems.

     

    You talk about cover flow... They removed it from the UI for some reason or another, mostly because they could and probably because they couldn't see how it would fit the "new UI design". The bloat specifically for coverflow is probably not that much compared to everything else and having a checkbox in the preferences to say "I want coverflow back" is one example of what would help relieve some usability frustration.

     

    So yeah, Apple could hide what they don't like, but they should also make it painfully easy for the user to unhide it and bring it back... which at least would mean they would be giving us options.

  • Mark Block Level 2 Level 2 (270 points)
    Currently Being Moderated
    Feb 3, 2013 11:44 AM (in response to pegaudet)

    pegaudet wrote:

     

    I think part of the problem for me is that it can become daunting to go in list mode, sort by genre as you suggested, etc, when I have a lot of songs to go through. The bigger haystack, the harder it is to find the needles even if there is a small pile of needles. And to make matters worse, your suggestion of creating a separate smaller playlist, even if it's 10, 15 seconds becomes yet another playlist I have to manage (I already have about 40 or 50 of them in 15 folders or so, virtually all are used for one purpose or another) and in some cases, I might decide after a few songs I want to jump ship and pick another genre. Hardly trivial if I'm making supper and I want to dart over to the computer for a few seconds to change my mind.

    I think you're narrowing your complaint down to an unusual situation: You're making supper, you change your mind, you don't like the List view, you can't spend 15 seconds making a new sub-selection, and you forget to delete the Playlist before quitting iTunes so you end up with too many Playlists. I'm not belittling the validity of your complaint, but I think it might be a concern for a minuscule number of users.

     

    Apple does offer a sort feature within the new graphical views, but its useless. When viewing a Smart Playlist, for instance, you can be in List, Grid or Artist. Although List gives you the complete sorting columns but no graphics, the graphical Grid & Artist views offer extremely limited sorting via command-j, which brings up 4 or 5 sort options, of which you can choose two in the Grid view. In these graphical views, there is no indication of how the sort is divided up; it's still just a fairly stupid album cover grid with almost no info. When sorting, therefore, the List view is the only thing remotely useful, as far as I'm concerned, but the list view can no longer show album artwork, so it's a very un-Apple, un-graphical way of working.

  • Ellyenne Calculating status...

    Drew Reece (Re:co) wrote:

     

    Mark Block wrote:

    How do you preview the tracks by simply pressing the arrow key while searching in 10? That's an good trick I might want to use (but very rarely). I find that if iTunes 11 is set for searching with "Entire Library" deselected, it's intuitive and very similar to iTunes 10.

    I guess the popover search results in 11 make it more obvious to users, annoys the heck out of me though

    The search is incomplete.  If I enter Bach I get the first 4 items.  I then have to

    pick my hand up off he keyboard,

    use my mouse to click "13 mone"

    Then I can use the arrow to pick on that is off the screen 'cause it now has the album art (but not large enough to be more than a colored blur)

     

    If I deselect "Entire Library", then it puts the matches in the main window. Better.

     

    But you are very limited in what you can search for.  They have gone backwards to a text only search.  I don't use number of plays or rating stars, but I can understand where those would be important searches.

     

    Then it crashes. This is a constant problem. I don't think I have ever "Quit" iTunes.

     

    When I open it again, ALL THE BEEPING CLOUD stuff is back.  And it automatically accesses the store to look for cloud stuff. And I have to go to preferences again to turn it off. 

    I CAN'T use the cloud (I'm actually using SkyDrive for cloud computing because Apple won't provide cloud for Snow Leopard users, and I can't upgrade). So, this is just disruptive.

     

    I only have 7 days worth of musing, but it is enough so that is 2400 "items".  So, a good sorting (not searching) fundtion is vital.  Havine the "song" list no longer obviously grouped in albums is distracting.

     

    And I used cover flow a lot - just to randomly pick what to listen to.  I miss it. You can't just "spin the wheel" and play what it stops on anymore.

  • rustyintegrale Level 1 Level 1 (60 points)
    Currently Being Moderated
    Feb 3, 2013 12:18 PM (in response to Ellyenne)


    You can't just "spin the wheel" and play what it stops on anymore.

     

    Which is precisely what makes listening to a music collection a pleasure.

     

    I think we're in danger of being so organised we actually think about the whole purpose of listening to music.

     

    To relax.

  • Ellyenne Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Currently Being Moderated
    Feb 3, 2013 12:30 PM (in response to pegaudet)

    Thanks for telling me it could be turned off. Red writing on black is just annoying.

    But, then it went the entirely unuseful gray on gray! 

    iPod vs iPad not withstanding, can I please just have BLACK ON WHITE so I can read it?

     

    Also "use large text".  Why not let us select the size of the text?  Small is too small, and LARGE is so large that not all of the necessary data will fit on the list view! 

     

    How about the ability to customize?  This was the core of Apple - that everyone could make it their own.  iTunes 11 feels like a Windows program. 

     

     

    pegaudet wrote:

     

    Album cover custom colours.... Seriously? That was feature #2 I turned off (feature #1 was to "hide my cloud copies").

  • Drew Reece (Re:co) Calculating status...
    Currently Being Moderated
    Feb 3, 2013 1:18 PM (in response to Ellyenne)

    Ellyenne wrote:

     

    Then it crashes. This is a constant problem. I don't think I have ever "Quit" iTunes.

     

    When I open it again, ALL THE BEEPING CLOUD stuff is back.  And it automatically accesses the store to look for cloud stuff. And I have to go to preferences again to turn it off.

    If you can manage to get a 'clean save' of the preferences they should remain intact after every crash.

    To do this relaunch iTunes, set the prefs as you like them & quit it. That should cause them to be saved into the prefs file & if it crashes during the next session it should go back to the defaults you specified. If it goes back to default values I'd complain to Apple on the feedback page, genuis bar or via Applecare - it's a horrible workaround for apps that can't stand on their own two feet without stumbling.

     

    I'm another person using 10.6.8. It seems stupid of Apple to exclude 10.6 from most of iCloud, I have started to replace Apple's services with ones from Google because they at least support my OS & devices. Bookmark syncing, Contacts, Calendars… now goes to Google because Apple services don't support the previous OS (when iCloud was released 10.7 was current). Amazon & others are cheaper for music, the iTunes store is convenient but who want's to encourage Apple's neglect for older hardware.

  • pegaudet Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Currently Being Moderated
    Feb 3, 2013 1:24 PM (in response to Ellyenne)

    Ellyenne wrote:

     

    Thanks for telling me it could be turned off. Red writing on black is just annoying.

     

    You're welcome.

     

    I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that the color art thing seems too much like a bad trip. If I want to see the colours of the rainbow, I'll look outside after a thunderstorm. That feature was an instant dislike on my part and I will never turn it back on....

     

    Now if they could let us customize the itunes store to be the same.. It's too jarring to click on an artist and randomly have it switch from black on white to light gray on black or pink on puke green (ok a slight colour exaggeration, but it's certainly annoying).

  • Ellyenne Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Drew Reece (Re:co) wrote:

     

    I'm another person using 10.6.8. It seems stupid of Apple to exclude 10.6 from most of iCloud, I have started to replace Apple's services with ones from Google because they at least support my OS & devices. Bookmark syncing, Contacts, Calendars… now goes to Google because Apple services don't support the previous OS (when iCloud was released 10.7 was current). Amazon & others are cheaper for music, the iTunes store is convenient but who want's to encourage Apple's neglect for older hardware.

    I use SkyDrive for large amounts of data because it is secure, and also because I can edit Word & Excel files in Word & Excel, on my Mac.  Not fast, but certainly better than trying to use the Apple versions.

     

    Since I have an Android phone, I sync calendars & contacts through a free server called Fruux.  They are in Germany, and the security is better than Google's.  Their calendar sync is MUCH better than the Google - it never loses appointments, and (unlike Google) deletes them from my phone when I delete them from iCal, & visa versa. Does not work with Outlook or Exchange Server.

     

    It would be nice if everything synced like it does in Mail & iCal on my MacBookPro.  So much easier.

  • elasticdragon Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Currently Being Moderated
    Feb 4, 2013 1:43 PM (in response to Porf)

    iTunes has had the shittiest UI  for like a decade now... they basically said,  here.... just type in ANYTHING  in the search bar,  and we'll just display it... Go ahead... anything... then you can just do it... Well, I'm a UI/UX  designer, & I want to burn whoever thought this new iTunes UI  was a good idea.... 

     

    Yes it was flawed... and a LOT  of our music, audio, soundbytes what have you were just labeled by their filename. But then iTunes decided that EVRYTHING  MUST BE CATALOGGED  properly before it tries to find that obscure live zelda rock remix you recorded at some comic-con and just labeled the file "Zeldalive.mp3"  Well, ITunes... I dont have it catalogged anywhere... trying to look for it in album, artsist, or genre view does nothing, becasue I just dumped it in you.  In your OLD  search (I'm still speaking to iTunes directly here) you would just spit out ANYTHING  I started typing in....

    "Z" 

    showed EVERYTHING WITH A LETTER Z IN IT... fine....

    "E"  okay... 325 songs pop up that have the "ZE"  string in it...

    "LDA"... OH SNAP... I had 21 songs related to Zelda??  I didnt even know that! Thatnk you iTunes...  I'll take it from here.

     

    Today this is not so... iTunes changes so now every song you have better be in specific albums, and the only way to guarentee any search success was to do a WHOLE  bunch of work up front.  Putting EVERY  orphan song into an album or genre...

     

    I found I would just make more and more playlists dumping things I like in there.  But that makes loading into the ipod annyoing,  since now I have to wade through 200 playlists just to fill up the ipod with what I want.

     

    Anyone else hitting this brick wall?  I get most humans need to have every little thing faceted out for them as if they were machines themselve... but thatnks to this new iTunes,  gone are the days of finding an old hard drive with  a thousand old songs on it,  not really in album form, and dumping them ALL into itunes... where you can search a string of letters in search,  and create your lists and genres then.  It seems now if you just need to see what you are working with, it's inpossible, becasue how dare iTunes allow you to just do it yourself.

     

    I feel that kid stoday will view this complaint like I viewed my great grandfather's complaint of "credit cards are too complicated" what happened to bartering a service for 60 feet of copper wire and half a pig... followed by the gentleman's handshake to seal the deal.

  • rustyintegrale Level 1 Level 1 (60 points)
    Currently Being Moderated
    Feb 4, 2013 1:57 PM (in response to elasticdragon)


    I feel that kids today will view this complaint like I viewed my great grandfather's complaint of "credit cards are too complicated" ...

     

    Who cares? It's true. Your post made me punch air because you have experienced what I have using this PIA software.

     

    'Lipstick and gloss' on an App is great. But but if it involves a helluva lot of time and patience to implement it, it renders itself useless.

     

    I have spent so much time on my iTunes collection. A lot of it needed maintenance regardless but iTunes 11 screwed so much and it literally took me weeks to recover my whole collection and have it how I like it now.

     

    No missing tracks, no missing artwork, Coverflow and high resolution sound when I want it. Joy!

1 ... 79 80 81 82 83 ... 107 Previous Next

Actions

More Like This

  • Retrieving data ...

Bookmarked By (14)

Legend

  • This solved my question - 10 points
  • This helped me - 5 points
This site contains user submitted content, comments and opinions and is for informational purposes only. Apple disclaims any and all liability for the acts, omissions and conduct of any third parties in connection with or related to your use of the site. All postings and use of the content on this site are subject to the Apple Support Communities Terms of Use.