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What are your thoughts on the New iTunes 11?

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  • RollTheBeats Level 1 Level 1 (20 points)
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    Feb 4, 2013 3:15 PM (in response to elasticdragon)

    @elasticdragon

     

    Click on the spyglass icon in the search box and uncheck "Search entire library", this will give you the old filtering based search with results revealed in your library. I could be wrong but I think this will solve your problem. It's a very unintuative option as you're still searching the entire library but the results are revealed in your library as they would be in10.x.

  • verbcrunch Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)
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    Feb 4, 2013 3:22 PM (in response to RollTheBeats)

    When you unclick "Seach Entire Library" (in Song View) it behaves like search always did - and only searches whatever you have open - whether it's a playlist or your entire library.      

     

    "Seach Entire Library" searches your entire library regardless of what you have open, which can be handy when you don't want to navigate away to locate a song.     

     

    This is one area where I think iTunes11 improves on previous versions - you now have more options not less.

  • RollTheBeats Level 1 Level 1 (20 points)
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    Feb 4, 2013 4:30 PM (in response to verbcrunch)

    @verbcrunch

     

    99% of the time I have my library selected so makes very little difference for me although I do sometimes search just the songs on my iPhone but yes you're right "search entire library" searches everything regardless of what you have open but you get that horrid drop down search box.

     

    Personally I'm not a fan of the new drop down search and would never use it. I can see how it would be useful if you want to search for something without navigating away, however, if iTunes 11 supported multiple windows like 10.7 I could easily search for a song without navigating away by using a second window.

  • verbcrunch Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)
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    Feb 4, 2013 5:13 PM (in response to RollTheBeats)

    RollTheBeats wrote:

    ..if iTunes 11 supported multiple windows like 10.7 I could easily search for a song without navigating away by using a second window.

     

    Yep !    Killing multiple windows is bewildering - there's no logical justification for removing it.        

  • Blogrunner Calculating status...
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    Feb 5, 2013 6:34 AM (in response to Porf)

    There are so many negative and complicated responses because of such a horrible upgrade, that nothing is ever going to get fixed, I fear.   So to be selfish and address the concerns of myself and of my 50,000 song library, I'm going to be specific.   So here goes, and I'm going to say it 3x to make sure someone at APPLE gets this:

     

    PLEASE GIVE US BACK THE ABILITY TO OPEN A PLAYLIST IN A SEPARATE WINDOW TO BE ABLE TO DRAG-DROP SONGS BETWEEN WINDOWS. 

     

    PLEASE GIVE US BACK THE ABILITY TO OPEN A PLAYLIST IN A SEPARATE WINDOW TO BE ABLE TO DRAG-DROP SONGS BETWEEN WINDOWS. 

     

    PLEASE GIVE US BACK THE ABILITY TO OPEN A PLAYLIST IN A SEPARATE WINDOW TO BE ABLE TO DRAG-DROP SONGS BETWEEN WINDOWS. 

     

    PLEASE GIVE US BACK THE ABILITY TO OPEN A PLAYLIST IN A SEPARATE WINDOW TO BE ABLE TO DRAG-DROP SONGS BETWEEN WINDOWS. 

     

    I hope this message is loud and clear.

  • turingtest2 Level 8 Level 8 (43,850 points)
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    Feb 5, 2013 6:40 AM (in response to Blogrunner)

    That's 4x.

     

    Apple doesn't "listen" here. Use iTunes Feedback.

     

    tt2

  • Alex_3 Calculating status...
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    Feb 5, 2013 7:32 AM (in response to Mark Block)

    Mark Block wrote:


    These are very minor quibbles, and typical of how interface designers are "damned if you do, damned if you don't." What's "more complex" to one user may be more intuitive to another. Personally, I'd be very confused if iTunes switched views automatically when filtering after a search. I'm in a particular view for a reason, presumably, so it would be very presumptuous of iTunes 11 to switch to the Songs view just because I'm filtering by "songs" when in, say, Artists view. What you're asking for seems like bad design to me.

     

    I am a big believer in the "Nudge" principle. I think there should be a default option how things appear to us, not a long list of check boxes. And the default option should neither be a blank slate, nor some arbitrary setting.

     

    So for example when you use Spotlight, it always searches files from all dates, no matter what you did before. If you want to limit the search to a specific date range, you need to add a qualifier like

    "date:>10/1/11". However, next time you search, Spotlight switches back to all files (unless you specify a date range again).

    Coming up with a smart Nudge is a hard job to do, and it is always easier for a UX designer to simply offer a lot of options without making any suggestions.

     

    When I search for "stars" and limit that search to "Songs", there is actually a view to list songs, called "songs". Why not switch to it? Just to avoid overruling user's choices? iTunes 11 does not even do that: When you select "Genres" view in say "Movies", you don't stay in "Genres" view when switching to "Music" or "TV Shows". View choices are sticky to library categories, but not to search options. Why?

     

    Let me try to explain why it migt be a good idea to adjust views with filtered searches: Practically, if you look at search results for songs in the Albums view, you see a lot of album covers, but no songs, as content of albums in not shown in this view. In the Artists view, you see lots of album covers. From most Albums only one song will qualify as a hit, so you end up with lot of white space on the screen, which makes it hard to quickly identify the song you were looking for.

     

    As a UX designer you might have one of two approaches in this scenario: Either the user will use the song title as the only clue, and perhaps a pre-listen - then make that simple. Or the user will use the cover as key clue, then arrange covers in a way that this becomes easy (e.g. present album covers in multiple rows, with macthing song titles underneath each). Right now it is neither of these, the result screen actually lacks an intentional UX design. Playing around with iTunes 11, you might discover that lots of screens you run into seem to lack any intentional design, but are seem to defined solely by technical parameters.

     

    On the other hand many conceptional elements come in various visual designs. For example a list of songs could appear in three places: The main box, as a pull down from the search box (instant search results), and the "Up Next" list that pulls down from the "now playing" box. Each of these presentations as a slightly different interaction design, i.e. different context menu etc. I would call this a lack of integrated UX, or lack of design consistency.

     

    To me that is not a small annoyance but a major change in UX approach - or some really really bad UX testing.

  • joeyfitz9 Calculating status...
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    Feb 5, 2013 3:46 PM (in response to Porf)

    iTunes 11 is the George W. Bush of updates.

    Yes, it's that bad.

  • prixca Calculating status...
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    Feb 5, 2013 3:49 PM (in response to Porf)

    When syncing with my iphone...

    Under the list of Manual Added Songs the column Artist lists the Album name and the column Album lists the Artist

  • justslymo Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Feb 8, 2013 10:51 AM (in response to Porf)

    I seriously cannot even begin to express how BAD and glitchy iTunes 11 is...I absolutely do not enjoy listening to music on my computer anymore and use my ipod pretty much exclusively.  When I need to find a song in iTunes I have to meditate and ground myself in preperation for the frustration I am about to experience and I've made all the changes I can to make it as close to 10 as possible.  Horrible Horrible Horrible

     

    Seriously I still have to download the free song of the week to get newly ripped CD's to show?????? bad bad bad

     

    there back to life.....

  • joeyfitz9 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Feb 11, 2013 3:39 PM (in response to Porf)

    I just want to throw in my two cents.

     

    iTunes 11 has completely destroyed my faith in Apple.

     

    It's that bad.

     

    Really.

  • turingtest2 Level 8 Level 8 (43,850 points)
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    Feb 11, 2013 4:10 PM (in response to prixca)

    prixca wrote:

     

    When syncing with my iphone...

    Under the list of Manual Added Songs the column Artist lists the Album name and the column Album lists the Artist

     

    Oops!

     

    Not seen that one mentioned before.

     

    tt2

  • turingtest2 Level 8 Level 8 (43,850 points)
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    Feb 11, 2013 4:52 PM (in response to prixca)

    prixca wrote:

     

    When syncing with my iphone...

    Under the list of Manual Added Songs the column Artist lists the Album name and the column Album lists the Artist

     

    I've filed a bug report...

     

    tt2

  • crashanywhere Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Feb 11, 2013 6:13 PM (in response to joeyfitz9)

    joeyfitz9, I'm with you. I look at it as the straw that broke the camel's back. Until this piece of iTunes shiite I never questioned that my next computer would be a Mac. Actually, I expect it prob will be, but it will be used and able to run the older stuff.

     

    Ya know, I had an interview at the Cupertino office back in 1996, and the first thing I saw was a pair of Mac Classics that I had to interface with in order to have my guest pass printed. I wonder if any of those geriatrics still receive such an honor?

     

    I don't expect Apple to be making real computers a **** of a lot longer... at least not the kind we've been used to. I expect they'll make zillions of gadgets that have enough firepower to wow the suckers. Titanic Thompson would be proud.

     

    Let's face it... Apple is run by shameless strumpets that are way smarter than us. They are totally pegged to the bottom line, and they have realized that their business model died with the man. As Iggy sang so true, "If ya wanna make a buck boy ya gotta be a teaze". They will NEVER deliver anything as personally empowering as their once-great company did routinely, but they will continue to promise us a revolution.

     

    Well, well, well... take a look around!

  • CrofootN Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Feb 12, 2013 6:41 AM (in response to turingtest2)

    Have you ever had any success in filing a bug report? This new turd releases also rendered my iPod and iPod Nano useless. I did manage to roll back to iTunes 10.6 but my iPods aren't recognized anymore. They worked flawlessly for years before I updated to 11. Now they are uselss. It doesnt recognize them, can't sync them, can't transfer my Nike+ data, etc. I've posted questions to discussion boards. I've used the official feedback option within iTunes. I've tried to submit the issues to apple techs. Nothing. The only thing I got was an automated response to my problem. The response was even more infuriating. I specifically said I had a Nano, a MacBook Pro, and iTunes 11. The response was how to sync an iPad 2 to iTunes 10. *** Apple. Seriously!? Its as if you are just mocking my issue with a lame *** response like that.

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