11 Replies Latest reply: Feb 10, 2013 8:57 AM by Frank Caggiano
poptiger Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I imported 9 images into a folder and then dragged them to a subsidiary Project.  The 9 are in both the folder and project--can I remove them from just the folder but leave them in the project?

 

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  • 1. Re: Organization quandry
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,850 points)

    You need to start by reading the Aperture user manual especially the parts on the library and have a look at this user tip The Well-Trod Path: a Beginner's Guide to how Aperture's major parts inter-relate again to get a feel for the parts of the library and how they relate.

     

    Basically folders don't hold images they hold other containers (folders, projects, albums). Images are only in projects, albums hold pointers to the images in the project.

     

    When you open a folder it will show you all the images in all the containers contained in that folder but the images you are seeing are not in that folder.

     

    So for what you describe the images are already just in the project you imported them into.

     

    regards

  • 2. Re: Organization quandry
    poptiger Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    My organization has the folder on the top, then a project and then albums.  I have the same image in each of the three.  If I remove the image in the album, all three are removed, and the same if I remove it from the Project.  However if I try to remove it from the Folder, I get a message that doing so will put all three in the Trash.

     

    So what is the difference?  I would prefer to have the top of the heap--the Folder--empty and just the projects and albums contain the images.

  • 3. Re: Organization quandry
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,850 points)

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  • 4. Re: Organization quandry
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,850 points)

    Again you need to get a better grasp of the Aperture library.

     

    Is your setup

     

    Folder

         Project

         album

     

    or

     

    Folder

         Project

              Album

     

     

    The actual image is in the Project what you see in the album is a link to the image in the project. If you remove the last version of an image the original is also removed with no extra warning see Deleting version also deleted the master if all you want to do is remove the version from the album do Remove from album

     

    Because when you remove the image from the folder you are  actually removing  it from the project Aperture warns you that this image also appears in albums.

  • 5. Re: Organization quandry
    poptiger Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    The latter: 

    Folder

         Project

              Album

     

    Maybe I should redo everything and eliminate the Folders. Right now the Folders have the greatest numbers of images, then the Projcts and hen the Albums.

  • 6. Re: Organization quandry
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,850 points)

    One last time there are no images in the folders the images are in the projects in the folders. The folders only show all the images in the containers they contain.

     

    It's just a connivence, you can see everything that is in the projects in that folder without opening each project up.

  • 7. Re: Organization quandry
    poptiger Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    It still seems to me that I have overloaded my computer with extra images.  How would you have organized the 100 photos I have of my family with three children and each has their children?

    I did:

    Folder FAMILY 100

         Project Jeff 35

              Album Charlie 12

              Album Eli 12

              Album Cate 11

         Project Deb 35

              Album Hnry 17

              Album Oscar 18

         Project Tim 30

              Album Sarah 10

              Album Ali 10

              Album Emmy 10

    ???

  • 8. Re: Organization quandry
    Kirby Krieger Level 6 Level 6 (11,945 points)

    The OP has started a new thread with this question.  I replied there.  I suggest continuing the discussing there as well.

  • 9. Re: Organization quandry
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,850 points)

    No you have not added extra images by creating  a folder. You can prove this to yourself by doing the following

     

    Create a folder click on it no images, now drag a project into that folder, click on the project now click on the folder you will see the number of images are identical.

     

    Drag the project out of the fodder. click on the folder it is now empty.

     

    But as you started a new thread the middle of this one, take it up with kirby there.

     

    good luck

  • 10. Re: Organization quandry
    poptiger Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    This was not really a new thread as Mr. Caggiano had said, "One last time ..." so I assumd he was done with me.  He did refer me to Mr. Krieger's monograph, which I read, and I still either don't get it or the scheme doesn't make any sense. There, Mr. Krieger says, "

    As your Aperture database grows, you will want to organize your Projects and Albums. Aperture provides Folders to aid you. Folders hold groups of Projects, Albums, and other Folders. Folders cannot contain images which are not in a Project or Album: You do not put images in Folders; you put containers in Folders."

    If folders cannot contain images which are not in a Project or Album, then folders at the top left of the heap really do nothing--thus my follow-up question asking how to organize a specific example.  I posited 100 different images of one person in each--nothing about combinations mentioned.

     

    I still think if the top left item is a folder, like Family or Travel or Basketball or whatever, its like a filing cabinet.  The big subject comes first, broken up into smaller different examples that are related to the folder (different people in the family or different countries visited or different ganes photographed).  Sure the folder and the sub folders (Projects) and the smaller sub folders (Albums) are all related, but there is only one instance of anything in the file drawer.

     

    I gather from what you wrote and have said to me that I do not have lots of duplicate space taking images on my computer.  I certainly hope so because photos take more space than anything else I save on my computer.

  • 11. Re: Organization quandry
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,850 points)

    I gather from what you wrote and have said to me that I do not have lots of duplicate space taking images on my computer.  I certainly hope so because photos take more space than anything else I save on my computer.

    Don't take my word for it. I described a test you could perform to prove to yourself that the images are only in the project and are not duplicated in the folder. You should run it for your own peace of mind.