Just bought a Crucial M4 SSD disc without checking all the facts. Ok, the speed increse was a good boost with up to tree times faster results in some cases.
But as this discussion is about, the 1.5Gbps limit was truly a surpise for me. Sadly I don't see that Apple will spend more time on this old (but nice) machines
The good news is that when one can afford a new Macbook Pro the SSD can be moved on to be used in full speed.
It is just proposterous to have such arbitrary limitations. Especially considering that the 2009 one with the same chipset was given a fix for it... I just requested an enhancement via apple's website; probably to no avail, but who knows.. My mac runs fine with the latest os, and is still in great shape. I will not change it, but I certainly will feel annoyed by apple for a while as I am now after discovering this unfixed error of theirs..
Anyway, please people don't hesite to ask for enhancement via this and explain it shouldn't be the way it is :
The bottom line is that Apple, like most (if not all) tech companies, has apparently embraced planned obsolescence with a passion. That the company can get away with hobbling even its expensive professional line means there is no incentive not to hobble.
Apple gets away with this. It's really that simple. You can write to them all you like, but not only is planned obsolescence here to stay, it is speeding up. The halcyon days of the Mac Plus (which was sold for many years and which had OS support all the way through 7.5.5) are long long gone.
Apple under Jobs was heavily into PO. Closed systems. Limited expansion. The first Mac, for instance, only came with a paltry 128K of RAM and no hard disk support. The Lisa was quickly orphaned, too. As far as I know, the first Mac wasn't expandable in terms of RAM. According to testimony from the Mac team, Jobs even demoed the Mac with a 512K prototype—instead of the 128K one that was going on sale to customers. This was so it would have enough RAM to run the speech synthesis that so impressed the crowd. The original iMac was a relateively disposable system, too.
Now, we've recently seen the iPad 1 orphaned after a short period of time. Lion and Mountain Lion are shortening the length of time OS X will support machines. The idea is buy and replace, buy and replace, the faster the better. If you don't like a bug in the OS, then you'll have to upgrade when the latest version comes out. I was told that back when I called Apple about the noisy optical drive in OS X 10.1.5 on my Powerbook G4. OS 9 played audio CDs at the correct slow rate, so the drive was quiet. OS X wouldn't, and made listening to music with a disc awful. Apple told me to wait until 10.2 comes out. It did, and it didn't fix the problem.
This "upgrade upgrade upgrade" mentality isn't so new. It's really part of the Apple-under-Jobs strategy. Jobs knew that most people will just fork over the cash for the latest thing, even if it only lasts 5 minutes. The strategy for a company is to see how much money it can squeeze out of its customers. Selling them equipment that isn't running at full specs is a clever idea. Unfortunately, some of us lack the funds to keep chasing the full-replacement-as-upgrade wagon.
I have two Macbook "Pros" (4,1) with the unnecessary SATA 1 bottleneck and fast Vertex 2 ssds. Both of the optical drives failed years ago, because they were shoddy. Apparently that's a "known issue". So, I have these two computers that haven't had optical drives for years but also are apparently bottlenecked supposedly because of the great necessity of supporting the PATA optical port. Apple took some steps in the right direction with the Macbook Pro. The unibody models are much easier to upgrade. But, it's really wrong to leave the ICH8-M owners out in the cold. A simple firmware update would go a long way toward creating some happier customers. But, landfills and stock holders demand that we replace otherwise fine machines. The "the machine is one year old, so it's so old you can't complain" mentality (literally what people were saying in response to this criticism in another forum in a 2009 thread) is what's here to stay.
One last gripe: These "Pro" Macs' panels don't even manage to cover the sRGB color space.
I found this thread while searching for a solution to my 4,1 MBP freezing every so often for several seconds after I put in an OWC Sata II SSD. I'm thinking there is something about this controller issue that's causing the problem. I wanted to give up my internal optical to install a larger internal HD in that slot. I'm wondering if the reason OWC doesn't have an adapter for my machine is for the same reason. I really hate the fact my 4,1 MBP has become obsolete while still a very capable machine.
I'm not having freezing issues. Are you using an outdated version of Groth's "Trim Enabler"? It replaces the OS X kernel and can cause trouble.
"I really hate the fact my 4,1 MBP has become obsolete while still a very capable machine."
It's not obsolete, but it is hobbled because it should be capable of SATA II and Apple never bothered to fix the firmware.
Apparently Apple issued a firmware fix for a different model:
No, I haven't used Trim Enabler at all. Reading on the OWC website, it wouldn't help. I've recently order a 4G SIMM to take my machine to 6G and one of the new WD 750G Black Scorpion 7200 rpm drives for less than $80. I really like the SSD speed when it's functioning properly but miss having enough room to setup a Bootcamp installation and keep a lot of my media locally. I'll test it with the extra memory first to see if that addresses the problem but have a feeling there will be a 240G OWC drive on ebay pretty soon.
Hi, I own the Macbook Pro 3,1 and build in a Samsung 840. The System runs like a ..... Mountain Lion....
The Speed is nice and after a fresh install i encounter no problems at all. But.....
I found this thread, read it all and had thought about a solution to this problem.
The problems seems to be the optical drive with its slow mode, it needs to work.
Would it be an easy fix to just take it out and reset the PRAM? Without building in another drive on this port?
Don´t hit me to hard if this idea is a bunch of crap. It was just a thought....
I am a Mac user since 1992.
I own a MBP2,1 (Late 2006), whose maximum officially supported OS is 10.7.
I had considered buying a rMBP, but while practically testing, I realized that the Unibody MBPs are ergonomically unsuited for me, as their sharp edges cut into my lower palm parts / wrists... Same design failure is valid for the iPhone 4 and newer. The pre-Unibody MBPs and also the iPhones until version 3 had rounded edges, a better ergonomical design principle!
Thus I bought the newest pre Unibody MBP second hand, a MBP4,1 (Early 2008) plus a Crucial M5 480GB SSD, only to find out, that the performance is not that amazing.
While connected through the eSATA-Expresscard BC338 (ExpressCard max being 2.5 Gbit/s) at my MBP2,1 (Late 2006) I achieve write/read ~ 135/170 MB/sec, the real world experience being not amazing (as in those videos of Unibody Macs with SSD upgrades, where big apps suddenly only bounce the dock 1-2 times instead of 10+), but good (i.e. Aperture video loading being not noticable (<1sec), whereas with that same ExpressCard in the newer MBP4,1 (Early 2008) I unexpectedly achieve slightly less (write/read ~ 110/135 MB/s) whereas connected to the internally SATA I, I achieve write/read ~ 95/135 MB/sec, the real world experience being dissappointing (Aperture video loading: no beachball as with HDD, but noticable (2sec)).
Right now, the MBP second hand purchase and the SSD purchase feels disappointing.
I too hope that Apple releases a firmware upgrade for the MBP4,1 to remove the speed cap for the SATA controller. The SSD consumes less power than a HDD anyhow, and I'd be ready to abstain from the optical drive, should that be necessary.
Apple, you just celebrated 30 years of Macintosh! Congratulations! Would be a nice gesture to show that you care for your legacy and royal customers. And please critically review the sharped edged hardware designs!