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nicolefromgambrills Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I have a Canon HF G10 that is set to shoot in recording mode MXP with a fram rate of 60i.  When i import the video into FCPX i see 1920 x 1080 | 29.97 fps 1080i HD under the info tab for each clip.  How do i get it to 1080p?


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  • 1. Re: Does FCPX support 1080p?
    digibudII Level 2 Level 2 (415 points)

        I would guess there is something going on that you are missing.  I don't know MXP mode but if your Canon is indeed set to shoot at 60i and you aren't doing any converting or transcoding before you import the video then the file you are importing should be 60i.  Even if I make a 720p, 30fps project a clip I shoot at 60p will show up as such when I put it in a 30fps timeline. Of course it must know the clip is 60p because when you Conform such a clip it will slow down. If FCPx thought it was 30fps it would not Conform. So it's my bet that you think you have a 60i clip but you don't. Or maybe you used something to transcode the clip before you brought it into FCPx  and you messed it up there.  It won't shock me if FCPx has some bug.  Another possibility is that the recording mode is really a 30p and something is whacked with the terminology of 60i / 30p such that Canon is calling it 60i but it's "really" 30p ? Whew...I'll be interested to learn what is happening. Good luck tracking it down.

        OK....after all that I did 5sec of research for you.

         https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3811353?start=15&tstart=0    

  • 2. Re: Does FCPX support 1080p?
    digibudII Level 2 Level 2 (415 points)

    That was an interesting read for me. Old stuff for many I'm sure but I never shoot 60i so I hadn't picked up this. I shot a bit of 60i and indeed, it comes into FCPx as 30p but now even that makes sense.  The links should point you to Clip Wrap which is a utility that apparently can be used to ameliorate the issue or in some sense give you a choice in how things are seen/converted. They don't make it an easily transparent technology, do they?

  • 3. Re: Does FCPX support 1080p?
    Karsten Schlüter Level 7 Level 7 (29,885 points)

    nicolefromgambrills wrote:

    … Does FCPX support 1080p … Canon HF G10 … How do i get it to 1080p?

    your cam doesn't support 60p, only 60i (aka 29.97i)

    but it does support 24p, if you want to avoid interlacing.

     

    FCPX does support 1080/60p (in use here).-

  • 4. Re: Does FCPX support 1080p?
    nicolefromgambrills Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    So I am shoting mostly sports and notice that i have a lot of blurry video.  Obviously, some of it is me, jerking the camera around, but sometimes the camera is still and the fast moving subjects become blurry.  I guess i am trying to find the right camera settings that will work best in FCPX.  Do i get better results with 1080i 60i or 1080p 24fps?

  • 5. Re: Does FCPX support 1080p?
    Tom Wolsky Level 10 Level 10 (106,180 points)

    60i will give you better results, but it will be interlaced. A higher shutter speed will help as well.

  • 6. Re: Does FCPX support 1080p?
    Ian R. Brown Level 6 Level 6 (17,900 points)

    No stationary camera can cope with fast motion across the frame. In fact they can't cope with someone 20 feet away merely walking across the frame  .  .  .  the image will appear jerky.

     

    If the moving object or person is a good distance (50+ feet) away you probably won't notice blur or judder but the image will be disappointingly small.

     

    The only way to ensure reasonably sharp action shots (moving across the frame) is to pan the camera, following the subject in order to keep it more or less in the same part of the frame but even so, some blur is inevitable, particularly in arms and legs which may be moving in all directions.

  • 7. Re: Does FCPX support 1080p?
    Karsten Schlüter Level 7 Level 7 (29,885 points)

    nicolefromgambrills wrote:

    …  Do i get better results with 1080i 60i or 1080p 24fps?

    60i is easier, with correct settings 24p is better, and I slightly disagree with sensei Wolsky …

    https://sites.google.com/site/karstenschluter/i-or-p-this-is-the-question

    was a short, illustrated essay I once wrote in this neverending debate ....

     

    due to its inherent blurriness, interlaced feels, esp. on fast (horizontal) subjects, better.

    for the price of a resolution loss.

     

    you can accomplish a 'better' smoothness when following basic rules of cinematography, using a slow shutter-speed - which results in 'natural' motion-blurr.- for most situations, that means with the aid of ND-filters.-

     

    but …

    if you like to use the material for adding effects, esp. tools like Optical Flow, plugins as Twixtor, short shutter speed is needed, therefor 'better'.-

     

     

    nicolefromgambrills wrote:

    …  jerking the camera around, …

    avoid that.

    or, stabilize it, manually, attaching weights to cam, fly-pods, in-cam-features.-

    esp. any vertical movements create odd effects by using interlace.

     

    the (in)famous 'movie look' every video-cam hobbyist is panting for is based NOT upon frame-rate, but upon achievable slow shutter-speeds. and 24fps would allow down to 1/48th - which gives wonderful blurry pics.-

     

    on the other hand, in context with Jackson's Hobbit in HFR, it was noticed that a younger audience prefer the blurry-free, but smooth 'electronic' look.- different viewing habits.

     

    you're using a beast of a cam - I assume, the correlations of iso / f-stop / sec is familiar to you

     

    finally, here, another very interesting read

    http://magazine.creativecow.net/article/the-truth-about-2k-4k-the-future-of-pixe ls

    (sometimes a bit too technical, but .... read it anyhow!)

  • 8. Re: Does FCPX support 1080p?
    digibudII Level 2 Level 2 (415 points)

    can you help me understand why 60i would be better than 60p ? doing -more- research now...

  • 9. Re: Does FCPX support 1080p?
    Tom Wolsky Level 10 Level 10 (106,180 points)

    Read the message from Nicolle I responded to. 60p isn't an option. 60i is better to reduce motion blur than 24p.

  • 10. Re: Does FCPX support 1080p?
    digibudII Level 2 Level 2 (415 points)

    question withdrawn...no point in hijacking a thread. found previous comments and wrapping my head around the dropping of a frame from 60p vs using 60i vs AVCHD2 cams that can do appropriate shutter speeds... etc ad naseum .

  • 11. Re: Does FCPX support 1080p?
    Ian R. Brown Level 6 Level 6 (17,900 points)

    You are getting confused, as do most people, between frame rate and fields.

     

    60i footage is interlaced video shot at 30fps.

     

    In interlaced footage every frame is composed of 2 fields, so 30fps produces 60 fields  .  .  .  .  which is what the 60i is referring to.

     

    30p footage shoots 30fps with only one field per frame.

     

    60p footage shoots at 60fps, so it should give smoother results than 60i but you can't use it on DVDs or web videos, and not all cameras can shoot it anyway.

  • 12. Re: Does FCPX support 1080p?
    A.Y. Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)

    Nicole,

     

    Canon HF G10  is an AVCHD 1 camcorder which supports:

     

    1080 60i (60 interlaced fields recorded onto 30 1080 frames)

     

    1080 30p or 60i progressive (30 progressive frames recorded in 60i progressive segmented frame format = 30p)

     

    1080 24p

     

    Check your owner manual to see how to set the camcorder to shoot 1080 30p (recorded in 60i format).

     

    If you shoot sports and want the smoothest motions and panning, shoot 1080 60i.

     

    If you only shoot slower-moving subjects and don't want to deal with interlaced videos or don't mind a little choppy motions, shoot 1080 30p with 1/60th second shutter.

     

    If you project requires using 1080 24p footage from outside sources, then shoot 1080 24p.

     

    You can de-interlace 1080 60i to 1080 60p, using:

     

    Field extension or line doubling: Turns field A 1920x540 into 1920x1080 frame 1 and field B into frame 2 by doubling the lines. This method is relatively quick and yield accepatable results.

     

    Motion detection which detects the directions of the subjects and then uses a combination of blending and line doubling to create 1080 60p footage. This delivers the best result, but is extremely slow.

     

    To see what "Field extension or line doubling" does, play one of your 1080 60i .mts or .m2ts clips, using VLC player and turn on deinterlacing: "Video/Deinterlace/On" and set "Video/Deinterlace Mode/Bob".

  • 13. Re: Does FCPX support 1080p?
    nicolefromgambrills Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    so what does the de-interlace checkbox do if a check it on in the info tab in FCPX?  If it is not checked it reads:

     

    1920 x 1080 29.9 fps, 1080i HD

     

    if i check deinterlace, it reads:

    1920 x 1080 59.94 fps, 1080p HD

     

    Is there a difference?  It was still shot with 60i on the camera.

  • 14. Re: Does FCPX support 1080p?
    A.Y. Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)

    If the Project is set to 59.94 frame rate and the Deinterlace option in the Info/Settings View is selected, then Shareing will create a 1080 60p video that plays absolutely smooth with QuickTime player. However, deinterlacing takes a long time so experiment to see if it's worth the time spent!

     

    The easiest way to enjoy unedited 1080 60p or 60i AVCHD videos on HDTV is to burn the .mts or .m2ts files onto regular DVDs and Playstation 3 or the newer BluRay players will play them absolutely smooth.

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