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quinn28 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

Hi everyone,

 

I purchased a 1 TB WD My Passport HD to use with my MacBook Pro.  I just connected it to my Mac for the first time and was planning to go to Disc Utility to format the drive, which of course includes erasing any of the existing contents.

 

When I go into Disc Utility I can see that that there is 1 partition that seems to be set up "out of the box"

 

It shows up as follows:

 

1 TB WD My Passport

     My Passport for Mac  (53 files)

 

I was about to go in and select "erase" but was worried that doing this would erase some of the default files that came with the Hard drive, which are suppose to make it compatible with Apple's Time Machine.

 

The contents of the box shows that it includes the following:

Western Digital (WD) Security

WD Utilities

 

Compatible

Formatts HFS + jouraled for Mac OS Lion and Mountain Lion

 

 

My question is whether I should just start using "as is" and skip the formatting step, which would mean not erasing the current content on the hard drive.  If not, will I lose some of the utilities that came with the hard drive which was already pre-formatted for a Mac?

 

Any input would be greatly appreciated.  New MacBook user and just wnat to make sure I am headed down the right path.

 

Thanks


MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.5)
  • 1. Re: Formatting a new WD Hard drive
    davidsignal Level 3 Level 3 (525 points)

    You will need to format it if it isn't already HFS+ in order to make it work with Time Machine.  You will lose the WD utilities, but you don't need them.

  • 2. Re: Formatting a new WD Hard drive
    quinn28 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hello,

     

    Thanks for your feedback.

     

    According to what came with the hard drive it is already formatted HSF + as well as journaled for Lion and Mountain Lion.  The first time I connected it to my Mac it came up with a pop up asking if I wanted to use this with Time Machine.

     

    Based on this it would look like it is already set to go out of the box?

     

    I did take a further look at the utilities that came with the hard drive. It looks like the only one that caught my eye was something they call "WD + Turbo." This is a utility which supposedly improves the performance of the hard drive on your Mac.  (Not sure why this would be an extra utility vs. something that is already part of the hardware!)

  • 3. Re: Formatting a new WD Hard drive
    Shootist007 Level 6 Level 6 (16,640 points)

    Any drive formatted for Mac computers, Extended (Journaled), can be used for Time Machine. There is Nothing Special that has to be done to any drive for it to work with TM. As long as it is formatted Mac Extended (Journaled).

     

    You do NOT Need or Want the Western Digital Utilities. Just a bunch of Junk Software that is Not Needed.

  • 4. Re: Formatting a new WD Hard drive
    quinn28 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks for the feedback.

     

    I decided to go ahead and re-format the HD which would also eliminate the WD utilities. I went into Disc utility, highlighted the Hard drive and selected "erase."  I received a message that said "Disc Erase failed"  - Coudn't unmount disc.

     

    Any idea what is going on?

  • 5. Re: Formatting a new WD Hard drive
    Shootist007 Level 6 Level 6 (16,640 points)

    Don't use the Erase Tab, Feature. Instead use the Partition Tab and Select "One Partition" from the Partition Layuout drop down. Then give it a name, Format Mac Extended (Journaled) and under the Options button, below the Partition Layout area, select GUID as the Partition Table, if it isn't already selected, then exit, OK, out of the Options windows and click the Apply button.

     

    Erasing the Complete Drive, selecting the Drive Name (Manuifacturers Name) doesn't work most of the time if anytime. It works on Partitions but not on complete drives.

  • 6. Re: Formatting a new WD Hard drive
    quinn28 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks, I definitely wouldn't have figured that one out!

     

    The original hard drive out of the box had 1 partition and shows up as the following under disc utility

     

      1 TB WD My Passport

          My Passport for Mac  (this is where all the WD utilities seem to be)

     

    I highlighted the first one (1 TB WD My Passport) and then followed your instructions.  The following message came up:

     

    This partition will be erased (My Passport for Mac) and this partition will be added (PQ HD).  The latter is the name I gave it.

     

    I thought when I reformatted it there wouldn't be any partition and simply a 1 TB drive.  Will I continue to see it show up as 2 separate names in disc utility?

     

    1 TBy WD My Passport

        PQ HD

     

    My original intent in doing all this was to create a backup of my start-up disc before installing Mountain Lion.  Of course I'll also use the HD for other backups in the future.

     

    I am assuming I can create a backup of my startup disc and put on my external hd using Time Machine?

     

    Sorry for all the questions!

  • 7. Re: Formatting a new WD Hard drive
    Shootist007 Level 6 Level 6 (16,640 points)

    There is Always a DRIVE NAME which the Manufacturer assigns.

    There always has to be a Partition, or multiple partitions. You can't format a RAW drive without making a partition (Actually in OS X there will always be 2 partition on any Physical Disk. One that you create to store data on and another that the OS makes to hold the EFI information).

     

    Yes you will always see the Physical Drive Name, Manufacturers Name, and then under that (and slightly to the right) the Partition(s) Name(s).

     

    That is just how it is. Just Look Up to the top of the list. You see the Drive Name of your internal Disk and then below that the partition name, Macintosh HD.

     

    If you are going to use that same drive for both Time Machine and to Store Files on it, separate from the Time Machine Backups, it is best to create Separate Partitions for each use. One for Time Machine and one to Manually Store Files on.

    Better is to have 2 independent, separate, physical drives. As if that one drive fails all the data on it is gone, TM and manually backup files.

    Redundancy is the key to never losing all your data.

  • 8. Re: Formatting a new WD Hard drive
    quinn28 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks! That's a good suggestion -- 2 different drives in order to have redundancy in my backups (Time Machine vs. manual backups)

     

    However, if I choose to put everything on the same drive, I suppose I would use your original instructions for formatting the hard drive but rather than select "One Partition" under the "Partition Tab" I would select "Two Partitions."  Is that correct?

     

    Last question:

     

    I was reading about Time Machine and I can see where it backups everything in your system (documents, files, etc.)  Would this be the same as having a clone of my current hard drive if I needed to completely restore my internal hard drive to it's previous state? For example, I am about to install Mountain Lion but if I use Time Machine to backup Lion and my existing files, can I restore the machine back to this state if I start having major problems with Mountain Lion. 

     

    I wasn't sure if this was possible through Time Machine or if I had to create a separate type of hard drive clone that can be used as a bootable disc. I noticed that separate from Time Machine you can create a copy of the source disc (my internal hard drive) which supposedly creates a replica of my start-up disc.  Is this the same thing I am doing when I use Time Machine?

     

     

    Thanks so much for all your input!

  • 9. Re: Formatting a new WD Hard drive
    Shootist007 Level 6 Level 6 (16,640 points)

    Yes that is correct. By default Disk Utility will create both partition splitting the drive in half. You can change that by dragging up or down between the partitions in the Partition Layout area.

     

    No a TM backup is not a clone and until Lion came out you could not boot from the TM backup drive. Since Lion TM create a separate area on the TM backup drive that stores/contains the Recovery HD files so that drive is now bootable to the Recovery system and from that you can use it to restore from the TM backups. Prior to Lion you needed to boot the bsystem from the Original system discs that came with every Mac. But since Lion, and now Mt Lion do not come with system discs Apple made TM include the files from the built in Recovery HD partition on the internal drive.

     

    If you also want to have a clone, which isn't a bad idea, then you will need either another drive or another separate partition on your one external for a Clone of the system.

     

    Or you can do as most computer users do and just skip all of it and then wonder why you lost all your important files. I run into that everyday. Mac and Windows users are the same. They buy a new computer and expect nothing to EVER go wrong.

     

    Good Luck & Best Wishes.

  • 10. Re: Formatting a new WD Hard drive
    OGELTHORPE Level 7 Level 7 (25,815 points)

    Shootist007, greetings:  you said; ". .until Lion came out you could not boot  from the TM backup drive. Since Lion TM create a separate area on the  TM backup drive that stores/contains the Recovery HD files so that drive  is now bootable to the Recovery system and from that you can use it to  restore from the TM backups."

     

    On my MBP with Lion, I do not find that to be the case.  When I start the MBP with the Time Machine HHD connected and the OPTION key engaged, the display shows only the MBP HDD and the recovery partion.  There is no Time Machine HHD displayed.

     

    If I click on the Time Machine icon on the desktop, I get only the Backups.backupdb folder and no evidence that there is a recovery file. 

     

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    This suggests to me that Time Machine is NOT a bootable HDD.  Am I missing something?

     

    Ciao.

  • 11. Re: Formatting a new WD Hard drive
    davidsignal Level 3 Level 3 (525 points)

    you have to boot in recovery mode by holding command-R

  • 12. Re: Formatting a new WD Hard drive
    OGELTHORPE Level 7 Level 7 (25,815 points)

    djcastaldo, greetings:  That allows you to recover/restore user data from Time Machine.  That does not mean it is a bootable HDD.

     

    Ciao.

  • 13. Re: Formatting a new WD Hard drive
    davidsignal Level 3 Level 3 (525 points)

    Prior to Lion, you could not restore from a TM backup at boot time.  Now, you can restore at boot time without actually loading the Operating System.... and then boot your computer, with fully intact restored operating system, from the restored backup.  This is what was meant by the comment you did not understand.

  • 14. Re: Formatting a new WD Hard drive
    Shootist007 Level 6 Level 6 (16,640 points)

    Then something is wrong with your TM backup drive or it was used as a TM backup drive with an earlier version of OS X before you started using it with Lion or Mt Lion.

     

    On the First Backup with TM on a fresh drive, not used before or erased or re-partitioned, and Lion/Mt Lion the Recovery HD files are copied to the TM backup drive in a separate partition, Yes Hidden just like on the internal drive.

     

    Holding down the Option key when starting the system and the TM drive connected will give you a USB Icon drive that will say Recovery.

     

    I'm not at my Mac right now but will post a picture of my system and that Option key boot menu screen when I get home.

     

    I actually have to of those USB Icon Recovery drive as I use the same drive for both Lion and Mt Lion backup on separate partitions.

     

    Ogel you should stop with the Greetings USERxxxx as that is a sure sign that you find fault with someone or what they say. You are just being deceitful in your initial reply with trying to be a Nice guy with the Greetings. Like you really care.

     

    I have said this many times to you, and others. I do NOT post False information. If I post it, and do not include any disclaimer like "I Think" or "I would think", then what I post is Facts as I know them and have used it myself.

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