Currently Being ModeratedFeb 11, 2013 11:37 AM (in response to dittoheadadt)
After syncing, the apps that you downloaded to the iPhone directly are in the Itunes app listing after syncing.
After syncing music and so on your iPhone is listed in iTunes under "purchased" when and only when you purchased it via iTunes in your mac or in your iPhone (with the same Apple ID), other songs etc are not there because iTunes cannot see if you bought it but not in iTunes but Amazon for example, ripped it, or got it in another way on your phone. It does not have to be in your iTunes library, to appear in "purchased". Very logical.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 11, 2013 11:39 AM (in response to dittoheadadt)
And what was the message you talked about? What were you doing to get this message?
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 11, 2013 12:37 PM (in response to LexSchellings)
I already was aware of everything you mentioned in your first reply. That's not the issue. The issue is this: the warning message I posted in my original post appears BEFORE the syncing process takes place. I plug my iPhone into my computer and iTunes launches (or is already open; I've gotten the message either way), and then before the syncing process takes place iTunes warns me that there are things on my phone but not in my library. For example, if I've deleted an app from my phone and then later on start a sync operation, I'll get the warning, presumably because my library still has the app and iTunes doesn't want to delete it from my library unless I really want to delete it (hence, the warning, which is prompted by the fact that the phone no longer has the app but the library still does).
That's all well and good when I already KNOW what's missing from my phone - because I'm the one who proactively deleted it from my phone (in which case I would choose "Don't Transfer") - but maybe iTunes detected something else that's missing from my phone (maybe a track or an app, or multiple ones, were accidentally deleted) that I want to keep. In that case, I would tell iTunes to "Transfer."
Or maybe there's a combination of things, some accidentally deleted and some deliberately deleted, and maybe I want to "Transfer" some and "Don't Transfer" some, but I don't know what they are because I've been on vacation for 2 weeks and haven't synced my phone since I left, and I can't remember all the specific changes I made to the content on my phone.
Whatever the case, it never has anything to do with Amazon purchases or non-iTunes/non-App Store purchases. Because the ONLY stuff I add using my iPhone is iTunes/App Store stuff.
The point is, telling me that there are things that will be deleted without telling me WHAT those things are, is useless.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 13, 2013 3:22 AM (in response to dittoheadadt)
Can you tell what the message was?
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 13, 2013 3:36 AM (in response to dittoheadadt)
With the exception of Audiobooks and a limited selection of movies it is now almost immaterial if you fail to transfer a purchase from the device to the library since other content can be redownloaded on demand. That said I agree that a summary of the items to be transferred with (optional checkboxes if you fancy) would be nice. This however isn't the place to ask for it. Drop a line to iTunes Feedback with any suggestions.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 12, 2013 10:03 AM (in response to dittoheadadt)
Wow. I don't know why there aren't thousands of replies here agreeing with you. That has annoyed me for years. Especially as I'm trying to clear up space on my iPhone. There's no way to know if you're permanently deleting something you didn't want to delete. The message needs to provide a list of items that you wish to transfer or not. Hard to believe more people aren't frustrated with this.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 12, 2013 1:33 PM (in response to Brian Phillips2)
Connect device to iTunes, right-click on it, click Transfer Purchases.
Anything on the device, and not in your library, will be transferred.
Delete anything you like from the device.
If your local library doesn't have enough room to hold all of your media then you're doing it wrong. Get a bigger drive and move the library to it. Much as it would be nice to be able to check what wasn't there, so you could be satisfied that the transfers are reasonable and half your library hasn't gone missing unexpectedly, there really isn't any need to selectively transfer purchases.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 12, 2013 2:12 PM (in response to turingtest2)
We must not be communicating this issue very well. It's not disk space on the local library that's the issue.
Let's say you want to remove a TV show or a movie, and you delete it from iTunes. Then, close out. At a later date you delete some more TV shows and movies. When you sync to your device, you get a message asking if you want to transfer items purchased on the device to iTunes, or not (esentially deleting them from both iTunes and the device)? But, it doesn't tell you what they are. So, you have no confidence that when you choose delete, you've deleted the ones you intended to, or may be deleting something you accidentily deleted in iTunes and don't want to permanently lose. Once again, you should be given a list that you can select which ones to transfer and which ones not to transfer (i.e. delete). That's the issue.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 12, 2013 2:36 PM (in response to Brian Phillips2)
Why delete anything from iTunes? You've paid money for it, look after it. Currently you can redownload most of your purchases on demand, but the small print states that the owner of the copyright can remove any content from the store, at any time, without notice, at which point you can no longer redownload. As I see it your iTunes library should always have all the media that you've purchased, and at the very least anything that is on the device. And the entire library should be backed up. There are simply too many tales of woe from those who manually mange their devices, don't keep local copies, and then find their device lost, stolen, damaged or crashed and in need of a restore. And even when you can redownload everything it is a waste of bandwith.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 12, 2013 2:56 PM (in response to turingtest2)
Rather than questioning the intent or motivation of individual iTunes users (and there are hundreds of millions of users, which means there are hundreds of millions of intentions and motivations to consider, each of which can be unique), why not question the lack of wisdom or user-friendliness in Apple's refusal to do, or negligence in not doing, something as patently simple as actually identifying the things that they're warning us about?
Wondering why Brian wants to delete something from iTunes or why I want to delete an app or an eBook misses the point entirely. Don't protect me from me. If I screw something up, that's on me. Protect me from Apple.
The point is: Apple KNOWS what files, apps, songs, etc. are "missing" and will be deleted, when they warn us. Why is it so difficult for them to write the software to tell us exactly WHAT those items are??
Don't question our motivation; question Apple's.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 12, 2013 3:03 PM (in response to turingtest2)
Here's an example of what we're talking about:
I have a Gen3 iPod and an iPhone 4S. I have a lot of apps, some of which are compatible with both my iPod and my iPhone, and some which are not compatible with my iPod (e.g. camera-based ones, because the Gen3 iPod doesn't have a camera).
When I sync my iPod I get a warning/notification message telling me that iTunes couldn't sync some of my apps, because they're not compatible with my iPod.
However, not only does it tell me that, it also tells me how many apps couldn't be synced, AND it gives me an "expand" box (the plus sign) that I can click on to see exactly which apps couldn't be synced!!!
If they can do THAT, they certainly can do what Brian and I are complaining about.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 12, 2013 4:27 PM (in response to dittoheadadt)
You can submit feedback in the hope that Apple will make a change such as you want. I too would like it. But past experience suggests that you're unlikely to get what you want instantly, even if it is considered a good idea.
In the meantime I could probably cook up a script that could list the artists/titles of content on the device and not in the library if either of you would find that useful.
FWIW I'm not really questioning the desire to do things "your way", in fact I'm all for it, but sometimes understanding why someone is taking one approach may mean that others can make useful suggestions, such as a change in the workflow, that could eliminate or reduce the inconvenience of the current behaviour of the software.
As to the 3rd gen. iPod touch issue iTunes really shouldn't attempt to sync any incompatible app in the first place, though if you have the "Automatically sync new apps" option selected I can see that a similar mechanism might be needed if there is no room to add newly downloaded apps to the device in question.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 12, 2013 4:36 PM (in response to turingtest2)
Thanks for understanding. I submitted the suggestion this morning after my post (along with the suggestion that they allow us to change our usernames and not associate this community forum sign-in with our Apple ID! I can't even delete my forum account to create a new one, without deleting the Apple ID).
Currently Being ModeratedSep 12, 2013 4:48 PM (in response to Brian Phillips2)
Yes, changing user names is another long standing bug bear. In principle you can't delete the account at all once created. Any content you've made might be useful to others. You could create a different Apple ID attached to a different email address if you desired and abandon any threads made with this one. They normally fade into obscurity pretty quickly. In rare cases the hosts may be able to change the user name, but typically only do so if the user name is objectionable or there are legitimate security concerns. I could ask them to contact you if you really wish it.