12 Replies Latest reply: Feb 22, 2013 5:32 AM by Michael Grenadier
Hannah320 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I am obtaining some found footage from the internet to edit in FCP 7. I need to put it through MPEG Streamclip after I download it off the net to convert it so I can use it in FCP. My query is, should I convert the clip to Quicktime (.mov) file OR DV file?


Final Cut Pro 7
  • 1. Re: MPEG Streamclip to FCP
    Nick Holmes Level 7 Level 7 (29,835 points)

    If by DV you mean a .dv stream, then no. That's for iMovie.

     

    Read this: http://www.secondchairvideo.com/?p=694

  • 2. Re: MPEG Streamclip to FCP
    Detlef Kretschmer Level 3 Level 3 (960 points)

    A dv file produced in MPEG Streamclip works very nicely

    I don't know who invented the myth that .dv files don't work in FCP - ANY dv file works well.

    There are just too many silly ideas around

  • 3. Re: MPEG Streamclip to FCP
    Michael Grenadier Level 7 Level 7 (20,115 points)

    there are just too many people posting disinformation.  Although you may not have experienced problems with .dv footage, many people have (just as many people don't experience problems with h264 quicitimes).  Do some searching here.  If you depend on fcp for your livelihood, you need it to be stable as possible, and when problems arise, you need to be able to keep troubleshooting to as few issues as possible.  To blithely recommend that people use  dv streams (particularly when the dv quicktime option is available in the program under discussion) is irresponsible.

  • 4. Re: MPEG Streamclip to FCP
    Detlef Kretschmer Level 3 Level 3 (960 points)

    .dv files DO work in FCP - this is just a fact.

    Why some people have problems with them is a completely other subject.

  • 5. Re: MPEG Streamclip to FCP
    Michael Grenadier Level 7 Level 7 (20,115 points)

    you can say the same thing about h264 files, but they are the source of many problems.   

     

    Here's Shane Ross' take on this question.  Found this with just a quick search with google on Creatve Cow

     

    #20 Using iMovie to Capture for FCP edit


    Shane's Stock Answer #20: Using iMovie to Capture for use in FCP.


    iMovie handles the media differently from FCP, specifically where audio is concerned. So it is not a recommended workflow. Here's why...


    iMovie captures using DV Stream (.dv) standard which does not use timecode. That is a big disadvantage over the way that FCP captures in that you can't go back and recapture the material at a later date if you need to revisit a project.


    The DV/NTSC specification (the one FCP uses) also calls for seperate tracks for audio and video, even if you capture it as one clip. iMovie' DV stream format is muxed audio and video, which means that they are tied together (I can't get into specifics because I ain't no engineer or programmer). FCP is a bit more demanding and captures the seperate audio/video tracks, either in a single media file or as seperate video and audio files. With FCP you could capture video only or audio only because each is defined by the DV specs. while with iMovie you can't.


    Also, if you drop the iMovie footage into the timeline, your will get the RED render bar forcing you to render the footage in order to see it. You can use either QT Pro or Compressor to convert the .dv footage into DV/NTSC in order for FCP to work with it without needing to render.


    Shane

  • 6. Re: MPEG Streamclip to FCP
    Detlef Kretschmer Level 3 Level 3 (960 points)

    Also, if you drop the iMovie footage into the timeline, your will get the RED render bar forcing you to render the footage in order to see it. You can use either QT Pro or Compressor to convert the .dv footage into DV/NTSC in order for FCP to work with it without needing to render.

     

    This shows how much professionals tend to get into a rut. Only the audio needs rendering, which is a matter of a few seconds. So you would go to compressor and wait hours in order to save a few seconds.

  • 7. Re: MPEG Streamclip to FCP
    Michael Grenadier Level 7 Level 7 (20,115 points)

    but if you're using mpegstreamclip to convert the file and you have the option of a DV quicktime or a DV stream, why would you choose the DV stream? 

  • 8. Re: MPEG Streamclip to FCP
    Detlef Kretschmer Level 3 Level 3 (960 points)

    I wouldn't - I was responding to the claim that .dv doesn't work - just correcting wrong information.

    I did not express any recommendation, especially in view that the original poster didn't mention the original format of the files.

  • 9. Re: MPEG Streamclip to FCP
    Shane Ross Level 8 Level 8 (41,895 points)

    >"I was responding to the claim that .dv doesn't work - just correcting wrong information."

     

    We like to inform people how to make media that works right in FCP, without any issues.

     

    If you need to render anything on the timeline, then something isn't right.  That's clue #1 that a setting is wrong.  Why convert the footage to .dv and then need to render it before you work with it, and whenever you make any changes to it, rather than encoding it right in the first place...to something like DV/NTSC (what FCP works with in terms of DV) or ProRes?

     

    Yes, it works. But it doesn't work flawlessly, and can lead to issues later on.  This is why we tell people to avoid doing that...by saying it won't work.  Sure, I guess we should say "it's far from ideal, you will be doing a few more steps than needed to get it to work, and you will constantly be rendering...but if you do it this way, you won't need to do any of that."

     

    And yes, we "get in a rut" when explaining how to do things properly...because we want to help you do things to be  right, properly.  Let's compare this to building a house. Yes, you can use one kind of wood over another, and no, you don't need to measure exactly in order to get the studs in place. Will it work...yes.  Will it be stable and last? Questionable. 

     

    There are right ways of doing things. If you choose to ignore our advice on what the proper ways of doing things are...fine.  That isn't going to stop us from saying that certain ways of doing things is wrong and won't work....because they are wrong.  FCP isn't designed to work with .DV files...that's the realm of iMovie. FCP prefers DV/NTSC...and since you are converting footage to be used in FCP...why not do it right to begin with? Instead of wrong and then doing extra things to allow it to work "OK?" 

  • 10. Re: MPEG Streamclip to FCP
    Nick Holmes Level 7 Level 7 (29,835 points)

    >just correcting wrong information.

     

    There's nothing wrong with what I suggested. You have to be just arguing for the sake of arguing now.

  • 11. Re: MPEG Streamclip to FCP
    Hannah320 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Well thank-you to everyone who contributed and I am sorry that I have caused such conflict!

     

    I have decided to convert to .mov files (they are all MPEG4 at the moment which I HAVE had problems with in the past). However, I did ask a technician from my institution today about using .dv files in FCP and he said he had never experienced problems, the only problem would be if I used .dv and .mov simultanously. Tamato tomato.

  • 12. Re: MPEG Streamclip to FCP
    Michael Grenadier Level 7 Level 7 (20,115 points)

    No blood was spilled so not a big deal.  Generally speaking, people are fairly low key here compared to other places on the internet. 

     

    Never heard that mixing .dv and dv quicktimes could be a problem.  If you have the chance, ask your technician if he's personally experienced this or how he found out about this problem and report back.

     

    Just goes to show that there's a lot of information and misinformation out there.  Not always easy to figure out which is which.