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  • 15. Re: Up-Convert DV (Anamorphic 16x9) to HD size (ratio)
    Frankiejmovies Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Update: we now have the AppleProRes File sized at 853x480 which is 16x9 Anamorphic. The problem now is that when we convert the file to HD ratio (size), we are getting interlacing on scenes with a lot of movement, and scenes that are darker in the movie. How can we correct this? I heard that the best way to up convert is to allow a little letter boxing top and bottom, if that's true, how can I obtain that look? Ultimately, I know that DV 16x9 Anamorphic can be up converted to HD ratios, and my goal is to find someone who can tell me what settings to use to get this done without the video ending up with interlacing.

     

    Thanks,

     

    Frank

  • 16. Re: Up-Convert DV (Anamorphic 16x9) to HD size (ratio)
    Shane Ross Level 8 Level 8 (41,895 points)

    >Update: we now have the AppleProRes File sized at 853x480 which is 16x9 Anamorphic.

     

    No...720x480 anamorphic is 16:9 SD Anamorphic.  What you have is 16:9 square pixels. That is a very non-standard format. Broadcast SD 16:9 is always anamorphic...and FCP is designed to work with broadcast formats.  You have a 16:9 square pixel SD format, that is very non-standard.

     

    How did you end up with that format? Why didn't you convert the footage to 1920x1080 60i straight away? Why this intermediate step?

  • 17. Re: Up-Convert DV (Anamorphic 16x9) to HD size (ratio)
    Frankiejmovies Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I tried to export straight to 1920x1080 60i, but the movie kept coming out 4:3 and not widescreen. The editor that I'm working with told me to just export AppleProRes (current size), and he would take it from there. When I exported the AppleProRes, it kept coming out 4:3. So I read in another forum that it was a QuickTime issue, and it said to open the file in QuickTime and adjust the movie settings 853x480 manually. This made the movie look normal and that is what the editor is trying to make HD ratio, but he is getting interlacing. Anyway, that is where the extra step came from. What should we do from here Shane?

     

    Thanks again for all your help,

     

    Frank

  • 18. Re: Up-Convert DV (Anamorphic 16x9) to HD size (ratio)
    Frankiejmovies Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Actually, Shane, can you please give me the exact settings to choose to export my DV 16x9 Anamorphic in 1920x1080 60i in AppleProRes. And what is the best way to do it? Export directly from my current DV timeline? Or first drop the movie onto a HD 1920x1080 timeline, and then export it. I will be exporting using compressor from final cut.

     

    Thanks,

     

    Frank

  • 19. Re: Up-Convert DV (Anamorphic 16x9) to HD size (ratio)
    Michael Grenadier Level 7 Level 7 (20,125 points)

    export as a selfcontained qt with sequence settings.  Bring this quicktime into compressor.  Apply the appropriate prores preset and customize in the geoemetry panel for square pixels and 1920x1080,  In the frame control tab, enable frame controls and set resizing filter to best.  Do a short test, by setting an in and out in the preview window.  Should work just fine.

  • 20. Re: Up-Convert DV (Anamorphic 16x9) to HD size (ratio)
    Frankiejmovies Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks Michael, first, anytime I export using QuickTime, the titles look horrible. Why can't I export right from timeline to compressor? What is benefit of exporting QuickTime first?

     

    Second, what do you mean by "export with sequence settings" exactly?

     

    Thanks again Michael,

     

    Frank

  • 21. Re: Up-Convert DV (Anamorphic 16x9) to HD size (ratio)
    Michael Grenadier Level 7 Level 7 (20,125 points)

    I was talking if you were exporting from a dv timeline.  If not, you can just bring your original dv files into compressor or export from fcp using file:  export:  quicktime move (not quicktime conversion) with current settings.  This will create a bit for bit copy without any loss, 

     

    Not sure how the good the quality will be with "sending" to compressor from the timeline.  Would depend on your clip settings and your timeline settings. 

     

    All I can tell you is how I work which is to convert my sources to match my sequence settings using compressor before I bring them into fcp.  Compressor will do a much better job of scaling than fcp.

  • 22. Re: Up-Convert DV (Anamorphic 16x9) to HD size (ratio)
    Frankiejmovies Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks Michael,

     

    I understand your process now, but I still have one major issue. My movie was shot DV 16x9 Anamorphic, and when I export the QuickTime file, it always comes out squished into 720x480 but not Anamorphic. The only way I found to fix this was to open the file in QuickTime, and adjust the video to 853x480, which looked great, but Shane from above is telling me that doing that is not good (I'm still waiting for Shane to get back on that). Overall, the problem is that I cannot find anyone that has up converted DV Abamorphic to HD size; most people out there have done it with regular DV only. Do you know of any setting that will make my Anamorphic export correctly, or something that I can do to the exported file in compressor afterwards to fix this?

     

    Thanks, we are getting close to solving this, and this has been a great discussion that will help many others out there as well,

     

    Frank

  • 23. Re: Up-Convert DV (Anamorphic 16x9) to HD size (ratio)
    Shane Ross Level 8 Level 8 (41,895 points)

    Michael is giving you good and proper information...no need for me.

     

    >My movie was shot DV 16x9 Anamorphic, and when I export the QuickTime file, it always comes out squished into 720x480 but not Anamorphic.

     

    That IS anamorphic. Anamorphic is horizontally squeezed...people look tall and thin.  Applications like FCP will unsqueeze it to fill the frame, if the footage is tagged as anamorphic.

     

    All the other information Michael has given is right...I guess you just need to grasp what he is saying.  Export a Quicktime Movie...choose SELF CONTAINED, and CURRENT SETTINGS, do not recompress.  Take the resulting file into COMPRESSOR...use the Settings Michael gave you...and submit.

  • 24. Re: Up-Convert DV (Anamorphic 16x9) to HD size (ratio)
    Frankiejmovies Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Ok, Shane, so once I take the squished movie that I've exported from FCP, and open it in compressor, is there no setting I must choose for anamorphic? Will compressor automatically resize the squished movie to 1920x1080 without interlacing issues? Also, can I go back to the appleprores file that I changed in QuickTime ("movie properties)" to 853x480 and change it back to 720x480, and open the 720x480 file in compressor and up convert from there? That would save me another export. Or did I ruin the file by changing it to 853x480 inside QuickTime?

     

    Thanks again guys, we are really close to solving this.

     

    Frank

  • 25. Re: Up-Convert DV (Anamorphic 16x9) to HD size (ratio)
    Frankiejmovies Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Michael,

     

    Ok, I followed your steps and once I converted to 1920x1080 in compressor using AppleProRes for interlaced HQ, the only remaining issue is the interlacing problem. When ever there is movement, there is noticeable interlacing that was not present before.

     

    I found one way to make it go away, but im not sure if this fully fixes the problem. I opened the 1920x1080 file in QuickTime, went to movie properties, selected video and checked the deinterlace and high quality tabs, then I saved the file. That fixed everything as far as viewing the movie in QuickTime goes. How does changing settings within QuickTime effect the file overall? And is there a better way to deinterlace?

     

    Also, Shane, you mentioned 60i, but I have never seen an option in compressor using appleprores for 60i or anything like that. Where do I find that setting.

     

    Also, after all this, when asked, will my 1920x1080 file be considered interlaced or progressive, and how/where can one tell if a file is interlaced or progressive in general by looking at its properties?

     

    Thanks for all your help, and get back to me so that we can finally solve this discussion.

     

    Frank

  • 26. Re: Up-Convert DV (Anamorphic 16x9) to HD size (ratio)
    Michael Grenadier Level 7 Level 7 (20,125 points)

    did you set the deinterlace filter to best and output fields to progressive in the frame controls panel in compressor? 

  • 27. Re: Up-Convert DV (Anamorphic 16x9) to HD size (ratio)
    Frankiejmovies Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Ok, will try that and let you know what happens. Thanks.

  • 28. Re: Up-Convert DV (Anamorphic 16x9) to HD size (ratio)
    Frankiejmovies Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    It worked!!!! Thanks Michael. Finally! And thanks to Shane and everyone else that helped out. This is a great method for up converting DV to HD ratio.

     

    Frank

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