11 Replies Latest reply: Mar 2, 2013 12:02 PM by chorleyman
Noah J Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

My set-up:

 

hardware keyboard > microtuner > Logic Pro (and its software instruments)

 

If it matters, the microtuner I use is the Custom Scale Editor (CSE) from H-Pi Instruments.

 

My problem:

 

The keyboard's notes are recognized by both the microtuner and Logic Pro,

so the microtuner tunes the recognized, standard notes into microtones

and sends the microtones to Logic Pro, so Logic Pro plays microtones, which is what I want

BUT

Logic Pro, having recognized the notes as well, plays standardly tuned notes at the same time.

 

My question, then, is:

 

How does one nullify the keyboard's direct input into Logic Pro

while keeping active the keyboard's indirect input through the microtuner into Logic Pro?

 

Thanks!


Logic Pro, Mac OS X (10.6)
  • 1. Re: Using a Microtuner
    chorleyman Level 4 Level 4 (1,415 points)

    I might know what you mean if you describe it better, I think - do you want to create specific microtones, or is it that you've got a bit of an echo/phasing type sound as a result of sending a signal twice ?

  • 2. Re: Using a Microtuner
    Noah J Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    My microtuner allows me to create specific, tuned microtones, which is what I want it to do, and it does that well. My problem is that the signal is sent twice -- once through the microtuner to Logic, and again directly to Logic, so two notes of different frequencies are being played.

  • 3. Re: Using a Microtuner
    Noah J Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    That it is a microtuner is not important.

     

    Basically I would like to know how to control what inputs are sounded.

  • 4. Re: Using a Microtuner
    chorleyman Level 4 Level 4 (1,415 points)

    So are you using the CSE on its own or in conjuction with the hardware TBX1 ?

     

    Are you aware of the different scalings already in Logic (File>Project Settings>Tuning) ? There are a large number of them and you can create custom tunings if you need to, I'm not sure why that facility shouldn't cover anyone's needs, to be honest - its probably a more elegant solution, I would think.

  • 5. Re: Using a Microtuner
    Noah J Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I am aware of Logic's tuning options. The one problem I see with them is that they have a limit of 12 tones to an octave.

     

    I am using CSE on its own. I do not have the TBX1.


    Thanks for the replies so far, chorleyman

  • 6. Re: Using a Microtuner
    chorleyman Level 4 Level 4 (1,415 points)

    Yeah, there is that limit to the Logic options, but having a scale that changes at different octaves is a little unusual - I've used different scales for instruments like the oud and other middle or far eastern instruments, obviously the way that the original instrument is built is the primary factor, so it is a quite particular idea.

     

    There are early twentieth century composers that got into that kind of thing in an experimental way - notably Olivier Messaien in my experience - but you have to bear in mind that most of us had the pattern of equal temperament etched into our psyche before we actually learned to use language, which is a fact worth serious consideration.

     

    If you have a particular goal in mind, to use an amusing quote from another contributor to the forum, I'm all ears...

  • 7. Re: Using a Microtuner
    chorleyman Level 4 Level 4 (1,415 points)

    While I'm of revisiting this, I just realised I'd gone off the point, really - there aren't that many people out there that are much concerned about microtuning, anyway - if you're just using the software, there must be some kind of setting there - perhaps a project setting for what you're doing at the moment or a global setting for the way the software behaves all the time (a bit like Logic - you never know).

     

    It is still interesting to know how you intend to use that in a musical context, though - I am primarily a musician.

  • 8. Re: Using a Microtuner
    Noah J Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    For example, one use I will have of 13+ tones per octave is Harry Partch's 43-tone just intonation system.

  • 9. Re: Using a Microtuner
    chorleyman Level 4 Level 4 (1,415 points)

    Yeah, I thought I'd heard some of that before (Partch), so I found stuff on YouTube to refresh my memory. I suppose I've always been interested in lots of stuff that explores harmony, but I guess equal temperament does it for me. Hindemith's music still has something about it that surprises me in that kind of way - apparently simply harmonies that resolve in an unexpected way...

     

    Maybe you've had some luck with finding some kind of routing setting within the software ?

  • 10. Re: Using a Microtuner
    Noah J Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I have not. I have checked again Logic and the MacBook's system preferences.

  • 11. Re: Using a Microtuner
    chorleyman Level 4 Level 4 (1,415 points)

    The only thing I can see at a quick glance,, is a MIDI routing section (Cmd-M), which may or may not help. Beyond that, I couldn't say without having the sofware myself, but good luck with that, anyway.