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What happened to Save As?

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  • oxcart Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)
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    Feb 24, 2013 11:22 AM (in response to Kurt Lang)

    Thanks for the reminder Kurt!  I don't have a direct interest as I use Microsoft and Adobe products.  The latest version of Office, which is much more similar to the PC version, is actually very pleasant to use... and I am no supporter of Microsoft, so that is a grudging complement.

     

    In going from Office 2004 to 2008 Microsoft's behavior was highly reminiscent of Apples's changes between OS10.6 and Lion/ML.  They seemed intent on giving themselves a good ol' wupping with the ugly stick.  For example, in 2004 command-option-z immediately after opening a word document took you back to the last insertion point the last time you saved and closed the document.  This funcionallity disappeared in 2008 but returned in 2011.  I wonder if Apple will be so quick to correct their errors.  I can use SL for the next 4 years, no problem.

  • Kurt Lang Level 7 Level 7 (31,485 points)
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    Feb 24, 2013 11:30 AM (in response to Badunit)

    I'm running the latest version of Mountain Lion and Save As acts the same way for me whether I have the "Ask to Keep Changes" checkbox checked or not.

    After making the System Preference and other changes I noted, the apps I tried all work as I expect (pre Lion). Unfortunately, I can only make those tests with a limited number of apps since I don't use any of the iLife or iWork programs.

     

    TextEdit and Preview do work like Snow Leopard. If I make changes and just close the file, I get an option to Revert Changes, which is the same result as the previous Don't Save. If I do a Save As, the original closes and stays the way it was when I opened it. Only the new document has the changes.

  • Kurt Lang Level 7 Level 7 (31,485 points)
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    Feb 24, 2013 11:35 AM (in response to oxcart)

    I don't have a direct interest as I use Microsoft and Adobe products.

    Same here. All of my real production work is done in the Adobe Master Collection. I have not a single use, or need for any of the iLife or iWork apps.

     

    A lot of folks dislike MS, and while I don't like things about them either, I have used Office for a long time and see nothing wrong with it. I also use a Microsoft Ergonomic 4000 keyboard. It's the only ergo keyboard I've found for the Mac that doesn't cost a fortune, isn't wireless and has Mac drivers. It's sturdy and very comfortable to use. I can't stand straight keyboards, and that's all Apple offers.

  • Ken Spiker Level 2 Level 2 (295 points)
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    Feb 24, 2013 5:47 PM (in response to Kurt Lang)

    The problem with getting Mountain Lion to fix this is that ML still hasn't solved the infamous 'Slow TimeMachine bug.' There's an entire huge thread on that subject on these forums.

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/message/21305854?ac_cid=tw123456#21305854

  • Kurt Lang Level 7 Level 7 (31,485 points)
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    Feb 25, 2013 6:16 AM (in response to Ken Spiker)

    The problem with getting Mountain Lion to fix this is that ML still hasn't solved the infamous 'Slow TimeMachine bug.'

    Hadn't seen that thread. But then, I never use TM so don't even look at such topics.

  • marjonnie Calculating status...
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    Mar 4, 2013 1:39 PM (in response to Dennis_Burnham)

    You have articulated my frustration with Save a Stupid Version eloquently.  Thank you.

  • siphoneturton Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jun 18, 2013 7:04 AM (in response to GunnerBuck)

    Totally agree with the majority of people here: the loss of the Save As function is, well, a real loss!

     

    It now takes twice as long to rename a file than it used to and this is not progress. It is change for the sake of change.

     

    Innovation, we like (nay, we expect it of Apple); but meddling needlessly, er, no.

  • DChord568 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Jun 18, 2013 7:10 AM (in response to siphoneturton)

    siphoneturton wrote:

     

    Totally agree with the majority of people here: the loss of the Save As function is, well, a real loss!

     

    It now takes twice as long to rename a file than it used to and this is not progress. It is change for the sake of change.

     

    Innovation, we like (nay, we expect it of Apple); but meddling needlessly, er, no.

     

    I hope you're aware that Save As... is now available again in OS 10.8 (Mountain Lion). Hold down the option key when clicking on the file menu, and Save As... will appear. It functions pretty much the same way it did in pre-Lion operating systems.

  • siphoneturton Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jun 18, 2013 7:38 AM (in response to DChord568)

    Thanks, DChord568, I didn't know that this function existed.

     

    I haven't long updated our system and still getting to grips with what's new and what's gone. I have found, sadly, that my 2011 MacBook Pro does have the spinning beachball far more often then when on 10.6; indeed, our new iMac (pre-loaded with M/Lion) also suffers from the spinning ball; the old one never did. Let's hope that is resolved with Mavericks!

     

    Again, thank you for taking time to respond.

     

    Best wishes

     

    Simon

  • Donnie Ashworth Level 3 Level 3 (875 points)
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    Jun 18, 2013 9:46 AM (in response to DChord568)

    "It functions pretty much the same way..."

     

    It's that "pretty much" that bothers me. I've finally upgraded to ML and like it fairly well except for some strange issues with color saturation in the finder. But I'm sticking with the old/new duplicate and save routine I was forced to use in Lion. The reason is that I just want to be sure that my original file is going to still exist in its original form in any circumstance.

     

    I just don't trust the new save as. Am I wrong?

  • Kurt Lang Level 7 Level 7 (31,485 points)
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    Jun 18, 2013 10:05 AM (in response to Donnie Ashworth)

    Hi Donnie,

     

    I may have already pointed you to this, but see my notes here to see how to get Mountain Lion's Save As… to behave almost exactly like Snow Leopard. The only real difference is that Autosave/Versions is still running in the background for those apps that use it. But files will no longer be saved without your consent when you close them, and a Save As… actually will save your changes only to the new document, not the one you were working from.

     

    It's the only way I'll use Mountain Lion. Hopefully, we'll be able to do the same type of thing in Mavericks, 10.9.

    except for some strange issues with color saturation in the finder.

    That's a known bug which affects only some model Macs. I've narrowed it down to where it happens and have filed a bug report. I got it in to late for Apple to really look into it before 10.8.4's release. Hopefully, it will be fixed in a 10.8.5 update.

  • polarbreeze1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jul 17, 2013 7:27 PM (in response to Dennis_Burnham)

    I've tried to figure this out and I find it impossible. Today's example: I download an image from Facebook. It opens in Preview. I want to save it - but where it "Save As" - it's not there! So what am I supposed to do instead? Someone please tell me. I've got options like "Duplicate" (so does that mean I then have two identical versions open at the same time? Why? Or "Save" - save where? It doesn't tell me - so I save but where did it go? Or "Move" - move from where? Or "rename" - which doens't seem to do anything close to what you'd expect it to. What a mess, how can this be?

  • Willie Nelson Calculating status...
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    Jul 17, 2013 8:08 PM (in response to GunnerBuck)

    The easiest solution is just press Option, and Save As will appear. It's another key stroke, but you can't fight city hall.

  • polarbreeze1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jul 17, 2013 8:24 PM (in response to Willie Nelson)

    Thanks for the tip. I should have guessed. There seems to be more and more of this menu item stupidity from Apple. It's nice of them to provide a keystoke to undo their crass changes though.

  • Jezra Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jul 17, 2013 8:29 PM (in response to Willie Nelson)

    Willie Nelson, I LOVE YOU! 

     

    Why has it taken months and months on this forum for the fact that holding down your Option key while clicking the "File" menu option causes "Save As" to appear to emerge???

     

    At any rate, thank you!

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