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Is cover flow gone in iTunes 11?

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  • MacPow75 Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
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    Feb 22, 2013 5:18 AM (in response to AA101)

    AA101 wrote:

     

    What frustrates me more with iTunes 11 is that I cannot edit my other tracks album art or edit genre/album whilst currently playing anotehr album... I cannot edit. Also the fact that I can't view my album art when I group tracks of an album together pressing command i... I have to view them individually...how sad.

     

    Is that so... I do ALOT of editing in iTunes while listening to a particular album... If that's true, then I wonder if these programmers at Apple actually use their own software!

  • Mark Block Level 2 Level 2 (270 points)
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    Feb 22, 2013 6:43 AM (in response to MacPow75)

    MacPow75 wrote:

     

    AA101 wrote:

     

    What frustrates me more with iTunes 11 is that I cannot edit my other tracks album art or edit genre/album whilst currently playing anotehr album... I cannot edit. Also the fact that I can't view my album art when I group tracks of an album together pressing command i... I have to view them individually...how sad.

     

    Is that so... I do ALOT of editing in iTunes while listening to a particular album... If that's true, then I wonder if these programmers at Apple actually use their own software!

    I just tried some of this and it seems to still work in 11. Although I did not edit artwork (because I do that with a script-based plugin called Album Artwork Assistant), and it's true that artwork doesn't show up when several songs are selected for a Command-I edit, I did edit the genre and comments of an entire 24-CD Duke Ellington box set while listening to LIttle Feat. I'm not sure what I did different from what you're doing, but it worked as expected for me.

  • j_pinder Calculating status...
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    Feb 23, 2013 8:52 PM (in response to abombaci)

    COVER FLOW IS GONE!!!!

     

    Apple, if you're reading this, BRING IT BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     

    Cover Flow has been one of the highlights of the iTunes player and not to mention,one of my favorites... BRING IT BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!! BRING IT  BACK!!!!!

  • distant rhythm Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Feb 23, 2013 9:35 PM (in response to abombaci)

    Besides Cover Flow, I really miss the "Save As" function that seems to be disappearing from various Mac apps. Now what, we have to use the Duplicate, Rename, and Move functions to do the same thing that Save As used to? Ridiculous! Why mess with things that already work well, to make them harder and reduce functionality?

  • rustyintegrale Level 1 Level 1 (60 points)
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    Feb 23, 2013 10:39 PM (in response to distant rhythm)

    distant rhythm wrote:

     

    Besides Cover Flow, I really miss the "Save As" function that seems to be disappearing from various Mac apps. Now what, we have to use the Duplicate, Rename, and Move functions to do the same thing that Save As used to? Ridiculous! Why mess with things that already work well, to make them harder and reduce functionality?

     

    I agree with that too? Why? It's such a simple, useful function and Apple decides to complicate it.

     

    Keep it simple.

  • Auxburgo Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Feb 24, 2013 4:40 AM (in response to rustyintegrale)

    I am a Mac OS and Windows user, and iTunes 11 came as a bit of a shock. It was not re-invented it was just minimalized and maximized at the same time. Sounds weird when you say it, but just look at the new iTunes. Some features are over exposed, some are diminished or removed.

     

    If someone from Apple is reading this, please, give us back things that we want, and you play with things we dont care about. Cover flow has its own culture in "Apple world" translating the user expirience from iPods (now iPhones and iPads) to computers.

  • b-jay Calculating status...
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    Feb 24, 2013 6:27 AM (in response to Auxburgo)

    Auxburgo wrote:

     

    If someone from Apple is reading this, please, give us back things that we want, and you play with things we dont care about. Cover flow has its own culture in "Apple world" translating the user expirience from iPods (now iPhones and iPads) to computers.

     

    But this is a just a wish. As you can see Apple does not read this, Apple does not give a **** of it what users say and what they want. Apple never gave an official statement why they got rid of coverflow, or if it will come up again or not. They just got rid of it without loosing a word. For a function they introduced in

     

    Apple does what they want and they think whats is good for users, by completely ignoring the usage and the users.

     

    Steve Jobs was a visionary and he brought Apple to the top. He had a feeling for user experience and knew what he want. The heirs and his successors slowly begin to work on the destruction. Its sad. It will take a long time, but it already started. Samsung is already passing by and in 10 years the iPhone and iPad will be on the edge of Smartphones and Tablets, while Samsung will be the winner.

     

    Message was edited by: b-jay - added the quotation of the message where I replied to

  • Nikos Lazaridis Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Feb 24, 2013 7:03 AM (in response to b-jay)

    Spot on!  Cover flow is gone and it is not coming back simply because everyone in here is screaming for it (myself included).  Apple has taken this decision for reasons unknown to us all and I don't think they will reverse it (can you imagine how stupid Tim Cook will look, announcing Cover Flow in iTunes?!)

     

    b-jay has said it all.  Apple products were what they were because of Steve Jobs.  If you have such a figure at the top with such a great vision of how the products should function and look like, feedback from the users is a lesser consideration.  What sort of feedback can you give to something that you haven't even conceived or envisioned?  We were just all happy to follow Apple's innovations and enjoy them for what they were.

     

    Now, in the new era, there is no such visionary drive at Apple.  Tim Cook eventually has to make some calls about Apple's products, some of them will be bad (e.g. Cover Flow), some OK and probably a few will be good.  Eventually, it is in a long-term losing position not so much because its products will become useless but because it occupies the high price segment.  The low cost eventually will become a dominant factor, and this is probably why I agree that Samsung will be the winner.

     

    Slightly irrelevant, of course, as the current problem is the lack of Cover Flow.

  • Mark Block Level 2 Level 2 (270 points)
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    Feb 24, 2013 7:12 AM (in response to b-jay)

    b-jay wrote:

     

    ... As you can see Apple does not read this, Apple does not give a **** of it what users say and what they want. Apple never gave an official statement why they got rid of coverflow, or if it will come up again or not.

     

    That's not exactly true, although it depends on your definition of "official." Walt Mossberg's review quoted Apple as saying, "The company says it found too few users considered it useful." What Mossberg says might as well be official. Many other reviewers said similar things, one even mentioning that Apple did "research" on how iTunes was used as it developed iTunes 11. These reviewers also quoted Apple spokespeople as saying that Cover Flow was unlikely to be restored in future updates. So I guess there was no official statement, but the company did communicate personally to the major tech reviewers, and it did explain the why Cover Flow was removed.

     

    This is all very ironic. Steve Jobs famously told biographer Walter Isaacson that Apple doesn't use focus groups "because customers don’t know what they want until we’ve shown them." Now Apple's vision is so blurry that it needs focus groups to tell them that Cover Flow isn't important to a majority of users. Jeez, Apple, way to go -- designing for the lowest common denominator.

     

    I hope that Apple does put Cover Flow back in its "road map" for the future. Maybe a new, improved, more beautiful version of Cover Flow will be included in iTunes 12. But I guess the only way that will happen is if a few of us on this thread get chosen for an upcoming focus group session.

  • Kenan Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Feb 24, 2013 9:04 AM (in response to abombaci)

    I geuss all is sad, if you say "the inovator is gone"!

  • LargeAl Level 1 Level 1 (105 points)
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    Feb 24, 2013 9:48 AM (in response to j_pinder)

    Apple Lost a lawsuit from Mirror Worlds, a software business started by a Yale University computer-science professor David Gelernter, claimed that Apple’s Cover Flow and Time Machine display methods infringed on its patents, and was awarded $208.5 million in damages for each of the patents infringed.

     

    See more here: http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/apple-loses-challenges-cover-flow -related-lawsuit/

     

    This could have a lot to do with it.

     

    Apple has asked U.S. District Judge Leonard Davis for an emergency stay of the verdict, claiming that there are outstanding issues with two of the three patents, and also claimed Mirror Worlds would be “triple-dipping” if it were to collect the full $208.5 million for each of the three patents.


  • affenpinscher Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Feb 24, 2013 10:25 AM (in response to LargeAl)

    Apple Lost a lawsuit from Mirror Worlds

    Al, if you scroll way back in this thread (and it is quite a ways back, very easy to miss), it doesn't appear that lawsuit had anything to do with Apple's seemingly random decision to remove cover flow.

  • Mark Block Level 2 Level 2 (270 points)
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    Feb 24, 2013 11:31 AM (in response to affenpinscher)

    affenpinscher wrote:


    Al, if you scroll way back in this thread (and it is quite a ways back, very easy to miss), it doesn't appear that lawsuit had anything to do with Apple's seemingly random decision to remove cover flow.

    Right. Apple won an appeal in 2011, and in Septmeber of 2012 it was ultimately thrown out of court.

     

    http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/09/04/apple_wins_appeal_court_rules_cover_fl ow_doesnt_violate_patents

     

    Apple told all the insiders like Walt Mossberg that the court case had nothing to do with the removal of Cover Flow -- that it was all about research indicating that people simply didn't use Cover Flow. However, I don't believe that a few focus groups and user surveys -- things that Apple famously doesn't believe in -- would have been the impetus for ditching Cover Flow. If that's true, then Apple has become a pretty sad imitation of itself. Further, even if the vast majority of users didn't feel strongly about Cover Flow, I'm sure there were at least 10 million people who relied on it all the time. Let's say only 10% used it, but most of those loved it. Would Apple remove that kind of feature? No, emphatically.

     

    I'm thinking that Apple decided to remove Cover Flow a long time ago, prior to winning the appeal. Apple may have concluded that it wasn't worth the risk of another patent-troll lawsuit. It was in Apple's long-term road map to replace it with something original. What it was supposedly replaced with  -- Expanded View within the Album View -- isn't even close to providing a user experience that would make us forget Cover Flow. Hopefully, the Expanded View is just a first stop along the road, and a real replacement for Cove Flow is Apple's ultimate goal. Even if that's the case, I don't think we can expect it any time soon.

  • Kenan Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Feb 24, 2013 11:17 PM (in response to Mark Block)

    ...could be, but would Steve Jobs make a decision like this? Removing CF by Steve Jobs? An incredible act! Or can u imagine this?

  • Mark Block Level 2 Level 2 (270 points)
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    Feb 25, 2013 4:29 AM (in response to Kenan)

    Kenan wrote:

     

    ...could be, but would Steve Jobs make a decision like this? Removing CF by Steve Jobs? An incredible act! Or can u imagine this?

    I can definitely imagine Steve Jobs deciding to kill Cover Flow, but he would not have done it based on consumer research (which is how Apple apparently excuses bad ideas now). I also cannot imagine Jobs allowing iTunes 11 to be released without an awesome, impressive replacement for Cover Flow. Jobs would never have settled for Enhnaced View and no graphics at all in the Songs View. He would have yelled a lot and bullied the team into coming up with something cool. The iTunes 11 update would have been much better and on time. As it happened, it was late and still bad!

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