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Bring back old working Spaces and Expose

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  • TomDSchneider Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Feb 12, 2013 8:06 AM (in response to DaveSpencer)

    Anyway, this is a fine enough thread and making a new thread is unnecessary and would only dilute people's efforts.

     

    I spoke to two people at apple yesterday and urge everybody to call them and  complain.  This is a sign that Apple's beautiful design insights are gone.  Maybe they are gone with Steve Jobs but there is no excuse for this level of stupidity.

     

    I have communicated extensively with the author of TotalSpaces and they understand the issues.  I don't know what is holding them up but I think it's technical issues.  Write to them too.  At this point TotalSpaces is nice

    and overly fancy but more like a small band aid on a gushing wound.

     

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  • dc214905 Calculating status...
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    Feb 18, 2013 9:54 PM (in response to TomDSchneider)

    Judging by the arrogance that Apple shows here and there I don't expect they'll bring back S & E so I hope Total Spaces people improve their product. I agree that is not to the versatile level of S & E but at least is better than the joke of Missing Control. I bought Total Spaces and I'm using it ever since. Forgot all about that joke of Missing Control.

     

    By the way I like the nickname of Missing Control, I think is funny and it describes better the level of mediocrity of Mission control.

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (4,065 points)
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    Feb 18, 2013 11:15 PM (in response to dc214905)

    Haha. I love mission control. Spaces and expose reminds me of what was exposed in the empty spaces of the 'old Mac users'. 2013 and we have an OSX finally that lives up to the expectations of the majority.

     

    Hooray Apple! Well done!!

     

    Pete

  • RobBT Calculating status...
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    Feb 19, 2013 2:30 AM (in response to TomDSchneider)

    Perhaps trolling Petermac87 isn't totally wrong here. Our displeasure may be better expressed to Apple upgrading to Snow Leopard (if you already have downgraded to a Lion) than just posting over here. I stayed with Snow Leopard because I could. I don't need Facebook integration, nor iCal in leather (faux or not), I don't want to be bothered by UI design flaws like a shrinking desktop image in Mission Control, just to mention a couple of things. I want my Exposé and Spaces the good way. For me the few improvements in Mountain Lion don't weigh up to the disadvantages. But of course this only works as long as the old hardware works.

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (4,065 points)
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    Feb 19, 2013 3:58 AM (in response to RobBT)

    RobBT wrote:

     

    Perhaps trolling Petermac87 isn't totally wrong here. Our displeasure may be better expressed to Apple upgrading to Snow Leopard (if you already have downgraded to a Lion) than just posting over here. I stayed with Snow Leopard because I could. I don't need Facebook integration, nor iCal in leather (faux or not), I don't want to be bothered by UI design flaws like a shrinking desktop image in Mission Control, just to mention a couple of things. I want my Exposé and Spaces the good way. For me the few improvements in Mountain Lion don't weigh up to the disadvantages. But of course this only works as long as the old hardware works.

    And that, my friend, is what I have been trying to express all along. Choices. Those that want Snow leopards features can stay with them (unless you buy a new Mac) and the millions that are running Lion or ML (many first time Mac users) are quite happy with the new features, including Mission Control. It is here to stay until the next advancement, and I can assure you it won't be a backwards stepp to Spaces/Expose. That option is for those who wish to stay with an outdated OSX. Over two years in fact.

     

    Happy Computing

     

    Pete

  • Stefanos Folias Level 2 Level 2 (165 points)
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    Feb 19, 2013 4:10 AM (in response to petermac87)

    petermac87 wrote:

     

    And that, my friend, is what I have been trying to express all along. Choices.

     

    Happy Computing

     

    Pete

     

    ahh, pete! you're finally getting it. i agree wholeheartedly. choices indeed! apple should have maintained the choice in MC to either have it function as MC currently does or to allow it to function as spaces and exposé had in the past.  instead, apple was brash with their innovation by eliminating choices and forcing a new paradigm. it's great that you agree.

     

    i must admit, though. i wish i had the ample amount free time that you seem to have on your hands replying to this thread.

  • SoCal Dennis Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Feb 25, 2013 12:11 PM (in response to tmsnnnz)

    It's obvious - Apple has made their decision, made it clear and stood on it. I too am saddened by the state of the feature removal/replacement - however, I think this discussion has slid too far to be of use to anyone.

     

    I can only hope that a 3rd party will make their own solution, and that there are enough people who want the old workflow returned, that they can make enough money to stay in business. I know I'd purchase the software, but I can't speak, and won't speak for everyone on this.

     

    We are all Apple people here - and those who aren't are in the wrong place to be a valid part of discussion. So for the love of all that we have in common (use Apple products), please let's just let this go and put an end to the personal attacks. No reason to make a sad topic, pathetic, is there?

     

    I'm out, hope you all enjoy your day!

  • DaveSpencer Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Feb 26, 2013 5:46 AM (in response to SoCal Dennis)

    Socal Dennis - I agree that Apple have clearly made their decision not to modify Mission Control.

     

    As a result of threads like this one which have appeared on numerous forums progress certainly has been made. TOTAL SPACES is an excellent low cost 3rd party application which goes a very long way towards satisfying the needs of Mac users that prefer S & E. I have previously mentioned this application in several posts so I must disagree that the thread has slid too far to be of use to anyone.

     

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  • TomDSchneider Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Feb 26, 2013 6:13 AM (in response to tmsnnnz)

    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1344330

    Mission Control - Still A Failure

    This posting points out some of the flaws in Missing Control and shows

    explicitly why they are flaws.

  • CT Level 6 Level 6 (15,035 points)
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    Feb 26, 2013 6:25 AM (in response to TomDSchneider)
  • DaveSpencer Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Feb 28, 2013 1:43 AM (in response to TomDSchneider)

    TomDSchneider wrote:

     

    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1344330

    Mission Control - Still A Failure

    This posting points out some of the flaws in Missing Control and shows

    explicitly why they are flaws.

     

    I agree Tom that the link you have provided is just another example of just how discontented some Mac users really are with Mission Control.

     

    New users aren't going to complain because they have never used anything other than Mission Control.

     

    This is clearly not just a case of people not being prepared to move with the so-called times. It is also not an ageist problem. The more senior Apple users, and I include myself are one of the key reasons for Apples success and are the same individuals that stuck with Apple before Steve Jobs returned and luanched the original iMac.

     

    Apple have made some very annoying decisions over the past few years and the introduction of Mission Control to replace Expose and Spaces was just one of them. The massive recent fall in Apple's share price demonstrates that not everything is wonderful in Apple land. I have multiple choices of art work for each tune I have in iTunes. Apple decided some time ago to no longer allow the user to switch between art work - back cover or front cover etc. In my opinion it is this sort of behaviour that causes upset with the result that the end user considers viable alternatives.

     

    If I was such a stick in the mud would I really be using an iMac, Macbook, iPod, iPhone x 2 and an iPad all running on the very latest operating systems. I am a massive Apple fan but that does not mean that I have to automatically agree with everything they do.

  • softwater Level 5 Level 5 (5,370 points)
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    Mar 1, 2013 3:03 AM (in response to DaveSpencer)

    DaveSpencer wrote:

     

    it is this sort of behaviour that causes upset with the result that the end user considers viable alternatives.

     

     

    There being the rub. For new users, there are what they would consider 'viable alternatives'. For old hands like us, I don't think there are at present.

     

    I also think  is banking on that fact, or is happy to loose us. We are a small minority after all, and only a minority of that minority is likely to go to Linux, and an even smaller minority of that minority of that first minority (this is starting to sound like an Applescript...) would go to Windows.

     

    I see Google have brought out a laptop. It looks crap. But I hope they and others start trying to offer a serious challenge to Macs and OS X. It'll be hard because not only have they got to get the hardware right they've got to get the OS right, and that's something  had spend a lot of time doing, and doing well, until recently.

     

    But  have made competition in their own backyard possible. I am - at least in principle - nowhere near as committed to Macs and OS X as I was up till July 20th 2011 (Lion's release date). I haven't unreservedly recommended Macs to anyone since that day - something I used to do regularly whenever computer purchasing discussions arose. These days, I tell people there's no real reason to buy a mac unless you're already wedded to platform through legacy data and software. For those reasons, I'll probably buy a new mac, but I've spent a lot of money this year refurbishing my old 2009 MBP (mem upgrade, new battery, new HDD) to eek a few more years out of it before I have to make that decision.

     

    By that time I hope  will have started focussing on the needs of all users again instead of sacrificing everyone else's concerns for the 'dummy 101' market, or I'll move on as soon as that 'viable' alternative arises.

  • TomDSchneider Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 1, 2013 4:28 AM (in response to softwater)

    Yes, I too now hesitate to recommend Apple.  But recall that things like Unix and the internet came from engineers (Bell Labs) and scientists (Cern) ... if Apple makes scientists annoyed by their foolish design decisions, they will lose this important but small segment of the market and in the long run I think it will probably ruin them.  I think they will go under in 5 years from the foolish things they have done recently.

  • RobBT Level 1 Level 1 (75 points)
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    Mar 15, 2013 3:09 AM (in response to petermac87)

    Pete! You there? I did it!

     

    I sort of followed your advice and bought me a Windows 8 phone. I love it.

    Why get frustrated over Apple going a way I don't want and seeing a lot of it back on my phone every day again?

     

    So now I've got the best of both worlds, so to say. I'm on the last great OS: Snow Leopard (I've heard it nicknamed Apple's XP), and I've got Windows Phone 8. What else could I want? Better design? Exposé/Spaces back in OS X? My hardware never break?

    Anyway, I thought I just let you know.

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (4,065 points)
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    Mar 15, 2013 3:15 AM (in response to RobBT)

    RobBT wrote:

     

    Pete! You there? I did it!

     

    I sort of followed your advice and bought me a Windows 8 phone. I love it.

    Why get frustrated over Apple going a way I don't want and seeing a lot of it back on my phone every day again?

     

    So now I've got the best of both worlds, so to say. I'm on the last great OS: Snow Leopard (I've heard it nicknamed Apple's XP), and I've got Windows Phone 8. What else could I want? Better design? Exposé/Spaces back in OS X? My hardware never break?

    Anyway, I thought I just let you know.

    Thanks Rob. Very Good. Enjoy.

     

    Pete

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