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Ros Level 1 Level 1 (95 points)
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Feb 28, 2013 4:04 AM

I'm currently using a MBP with Leopard 10.5.8. I'm planning to buy a new MBP with Mountain Lion. I don't want to purchase Snow Leopard and Lion inbetween. As I've migrated and migrated over many years, I believe it's time for a big clean out of useless space wasting files, many of which I probably don't even know where they are located.


Does Montain Lion come preinstalled on the new MBP, and if so, what is the best way for me to get my Applications, Preferences, Keychains, movies, photos, music and othe data across, including Contacts, Calendars, bookmarked webpages etc?


Or, should I (and is it possible) to migrate directly from Leopard to Mountain Lion with a newly purchased computer? If I migrate, how can I determine which files are safe to delete, and no longer in use or needed? Is it a painstaking task or can it be done easily?




  • clintonfrombirmingham Level 7 Level 7 (26,745 points)
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    Feb 28, 2013 4:13 AM (in response to Ros)

    Yes, it will come with Mountain Lion. You can safely use Migration Assistant to move your old files to your new computer - the system files won't make the migration...


    Just be aware that NONE of your PPC applications will run on ML - you may have to update a lot of them.


  • Shootist007 Level 6 Level 6 (16,640 points)
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    Feb 28, 2013 7:22 AM (in response to Ros)

    More then like all the Apps you are now using on that older Macbook Pro computer.


    You would be much better off, IMHO, if after you got your new Mac to just Install program that you use, if they will install and if not update/upgrade them to ones that will work on Mt Lion, and then just copy over your personal files. IMHO Forget Migration Assistant.

    Ros wrote:




    What is a PPC application? And how can I determine which files within the system are safe to delete? I desperately need to clean up my computer. Will I have to de-authorise music and books and software such as Logic Express and reinstall applications or are they migrated too? Will old imovies update into the new imovie and DVD projects? I guess I should start with a full backup, not just the Time Machine backups?



  • ds store Level 7 Level 7 (30,305 points)
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    Feb 28, 2013 9:07 AM (in response to Ros)

    Ros wrote:


    I'm currently using a MBP with Leopard 10.5.8. I'm planning to buy a new MBP with Mountain Lion. I don't want to purchase Snow Leopard and Lion inbetween.


    I would advise NOT migrating from that older machine to the newer because of the fact that the 10.5 machine likely contains malware. Yes, there is malware on Mac's, you can read all about flashback malware on Wikipedia (has infected 750,000 machines)


    So a clean break and everything installed fresh on a new machine is the way to go, transfer only files via a new drive or USB and use ClamXav to run a scan on the files. (make sure to copy only single and known files, not entire folders which contain hidden elements of malware programs on them!)


    PPC based programs are those which contain  binaries that can run on PPC based processors of old, 10.5 allowed these programs to run on the newer Intel processors. In 10.6, Rosseta was used instead to continue running these PPC programs and in 10.7+ Apple removed Rosetta, so there is no direct way to run PPC based programs. (a 10.6 hack in a virtual machine is possible)


    Since you going to be purchasing all new software anyway and iLife comes free on all new Mac's, makes little sense to migrate your older programs over only to have to delete them and the malware/glitches they contain.


    You have the older license keys for software, so all you need to do is contact the developer and ask for a less expensive upgrade key instead of a full license, then install fresh on a new machine. Developers understand this and wish to keep you as a customer. Exlain you had malware and thus can't fresh install the older program on the newer OS X version of 10.8 to upgrade, they will understand.




    Your the type of person that likes things to remain as they are as evidenced you haven't upgraded that older machine to OS X 10.6 at least. However you might want to consider doing so when your up on the new machine, as then it can be sold or used.


    10.6 is the fastest OS X verison, faster than 10.5, 10.7 or 10.8..


    However you will need to erase and install 10.5, then install iLife from disk 2, then install any third party programs that are 10.5 only, then use the 10.6.3 white retail disk ($20 or so) and then Software Update to 10.6.8.


    Or you can erase and install 10.6 directly, then use Pacifist to extract the free iLife off the 10.5 disk #2.


    A fresh install (especially on a new 7,200 RPM drive, SSD is a waste of money for that older machine) + max the RAM and that machine will feel like brand new one, except for the looks. It might be sold on ebay later or used as a backup machine or to run older PPC based software that 10.8 machine will not.



    Also unfortunatly because of malware and Apple's past behavior of ignoring older operating systems for updates, your going to have to get used to upgrading your operating system at least one or twice, or consider swtiching to Windows 7 (either on the Mac or a PC) because Windows gets updates for a decade at a time, unlike OS X. In fact Windows 7 is going to get updates until 2020!


    Windows 7 Pro will run XP programs, also it has System Restore Disks and images with a boot disk in case one needs to reinstall the system, provided one makes them before using the machine. (boot disk won't work for BootCamp, you need Winclone 3, runs in OS X to clone BootCamp)


    Microsoft Security Essentials is free anti-malware, and setting a Standard User account prevents a lot of malware from gaining further hold, on Windows and on OS X.



    So something to thing about, perhaps a new 10.8 machine and then create a Bootcamp Partiton using Apple's software and installing Windows 7 in there, at least you will keep your PC skills and Mac skills up at the same time.


    OS X 10.8 is radically different, it's more like iOS morphing and takes considerable adjustment to get used to it.


    read through these User tips to assist you



    Good luck

  • MadMacs0 Level 4 Level 4 (3,320 points)
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    Feb 28, 2013 4:55 PM (in response to Ros) on/


    Takes awhile to run but will list all PPC only executables. Not just apps, but frameworks, plug-ins, pref panes, etc.

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,550 points)
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    Mar 2, 2013 7:11 PM (in response to Ros)

    Ros wrote:


    This suggestion from the link seems like a good idea:

    Update: I have installed Snow Leopard in a virtual machine to retain access to my PowerPC applications.


    Are you suggesting that you followed that article and its instructions still work in Mountain Lion and VMWare Fusion?


    If so, I will have to bookmark it for those who ask me for some advice with VMWare Fusion (since my instructions are Installing Snow Leopard (with Rosetta) into Parallels for use in Lion or Mt. Lion).

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,550 points)
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    Mar 3, 2013 10:21 AM (in response to Ros)

    That article is out of date for Mountain Lion and installing Leopard will be difficult at best.


    Your best best is to either Install Snow Leopard client (with Rosetta) into Parallels


    or (with the big news that hit yesterday!):


    just purchase Snow Leopard Server from Apple for $19.99 + sales tax & shipping (call Apple at 1.800.MYAPPLE (1.800.692.7753)) and it will install easily into Parallels or VMWare Fusion.


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