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Keynote fundamental usability flaw?

876 Views 11 Replies Latest reply: Mar 15, 2013 4:54 PM by lesposen RSS
Talk2pj Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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Mar 8, 2013 3:51 PM

I'm at my witt's end with this.

I want to use Keynote instead of PowerPoint, but in Keynote's 'Light Table' view, skipped slides display as bars -- you can't see what's on the slides until you open them up. (Unlike PowerPoint, which shows them as greyed out.)

But that would make tailoring my presentations for each client unfeasibly time-consuming: My master presentation has almost 1000 slides, but I only show about 250 of them when running a course. That's a lot of slides to have to open and then close again when tailoring each preso. Tell me there's an easier way! Pretty please?




MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.8.2)

MacBook Pro, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.2), Keynote '09, v.5.3
  • Gary Scotland Level 5 Level 5 (7,585 points)
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    Mar 9, 2013 10:05 AM (in response to Talk2pj)
      Tell me there's an easier way!


    When I am selecting slides for a presentation, I make sure all slides are not skipped so I can see all slide content. I can  view 100 slides per page, full screen in light table view.


    When I create a new compilation, I can very quickly select groups or individual images from the original Keynote and drag them into a new Keynote. I can comfortably select and transfer 250 slides in 5 minutes,   saved to a new presentation and ready for use. 

  • Gary Scotland Level 5 Level 5 (7,585 points)
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    Mar 11, 2013 7:41 AM (in response to Talk2pj)

    I don't consider 5 minutes work compiling a presentation as "extra" work.


    Choosing the correct image for a particular presentation is a vital task in giving relevant information to the learner and one of the skills I am proud to utilise.


    If you discover something better, be sure to let us know.

  • Gary Scotland Level 5 Level 5 (7,585 points)
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    Mar 12, 2013 3:28 PM (in response to Talk2pj)

    If using Keynote takes too long to use but is also too quick to use, I can only suggest  you stop using Keynote immediately.



    I'm at my witt's end with this.

  • Gary Scotland Level 5 Level 5 (7,585 points)
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    Mar 14, 2013 1:53 PM (in response to Talk2pj)

    There is no design flaw in  light table view of Keynote,  you have not identified this in the discussion.


    If your  working method prevents you from achieving what you want,  my conclusion remains that Keynote is not the application for you, therefore use another solution.


    Post back if you see something that works for you.

  • lesposen Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)
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    Mar 15, 2013 6:12 AM (in response to Talk2pj)



    With respect,


    I've guided a lot of people to make the transition to Keynote from Powerpoint, both by example and formal training.


    This is the first time I have come across the objection to the changeover based on the parameters you have described.


    Firstly, I'm saddened and sorry it's a deal breaker, and you can't see your way around it in your current workflow.


    Is it an oversight on the engineering team's part? Perhaps, given the lack of serious Keynote updating of its feature set since 2009, whereas PPT on both Windows and Mac has seriously stepped up to the plate in this regard. Personally, I still find its U/X and U/I awkward, and its handling of media very 1990s.


    As someone who also repurposes his slide stacks, and chooses slides from a common set per audience needs (as I see fit), my workflow is similar to yours.


    I usually leave my slides as I will use them in th actual presentation - in Navigator mode. I rarely use the Light Table mode. My slide stacks rarely go beyond 250 slides, even in a full day's workshop, as they are so media intensive, they would grow into humoungous sized files, inviting freezing and crashing. And then they're a bear to start up again. (BTW, in Navigator mode, unlike Light Table, if you click on skipped slides, you can preview them.)


    It would be excellent if Keynote could show a preview of the slide in Light table mode as you oassed your mouse pointer over it, even if leaving it as a "slit", cf. PPT's grayed image.


    As a further aside, for a full day's workshop I will break up my many slides into several files, picking and chooisng what I need almost on the fly (actually in the coffee breaks). In some cases, I will hotlink the stacks using the four corners of the slide (master) to take me to a particular stack seemlessly.


    I certainly don't envy you your self-assigned task of reassembling a presentation from a master set of 1000 slides. Some years ago, I wrote a blog piece comparing choosing slides from a master list to that of Mr. Phelps of Mission:Impossible choosing his operatives for the given mission. Mostly the same core reliable ones, with the odd specialist thrown in every now and again. But it does mean taking the time to give serious consideration to the mission, something Mr. Phelps never rushed!


    Les Posen

    Presentation Magic

  • lesposen Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)
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    Mar 15, 2013 4:54 PM (in response to Talk2pj)

    Sure, happy if it helps you persevere with Keynote so as  to explore its other delights, such as Magic Move, the last serious feature update it received four years ago.


    If you do pick and choose from a Master stack and it includes magic move transitions, make sure these are not broken in the new stack, so drag the two slides over together by highlighting them first. Then test.


    I would be curious to see a section of a typical slide stack so I can get an idea of how you're using Keynote.


    Any chances?




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