11 Replies Latest reply: Jun 5, 2006 10:32 AM by Steve Hoge
JStratton Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
One of my projects in Aperture started behaving unexpectedly yesterday and I still haven't figured out why. I was reviewing proofs with a client and we were making selections and adjustments to some of the images. We were working in a smart album that was filtered on 5-star ratings. We made a few new versions of some of these images within the smart album, made adjustments, and ultimately selected her picks by adding the keyword "pick" to her selected images. In retrospect I probably will change that flow so that when I make my original selects I will rate them as a 4-star and then up it to a 5-star when the client makes their picks.

But for now, back to the problem. All was going well with the workflow until I tried to rearrange some of the images within the smart album. When I dragged the first image to a new location it created new versions of several images. I think this happened multiple times before I realized what had happened, so before I new it the album was filled with duplicate versions. I deleted the duplicate versions, but I find that they keep cropping up unexpectedly. If I go to the parent project and then return to the smart album, it makes a duplicate version of every image in the album.

A light table and a book within the project are now also giving me trouble in that they claim to have images in them, but even with all queries turned off they do not show any of the images (and yes, the "show all images" button is selected).

Any thoughts on what could be wrong?

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  • 1. Re: Aperture creating new versions unexpectedly
    mwizard Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)
    Yesterday I found a duplicate of an image in one of my projects. It was displayed in a black box on my 2nd monitor(about 1/2 sized) w/ no special name.
    Mark
  • 2. Re: Aperture creating new versions unexpectedly
    Kryn Sporry Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    I think a bug came to light...
  • 3. Re: Aperture creating new versions unexpectedly
    bickejoh Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    I have noticed this as well particularly when creating a web gallery or album from an image in a smart album. This automatically creates a new version of the image which is quite annoying. Anyone else encountering this?

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  • 4. Re: Aperture creating new versions unexpectedly
    DP Roberts Level 1 Level 1 (120 points)
    Yes, but I believe that is the "appropriate" behavior. A smart album contains only references to files. The light table, web gallery (except the smart web gallery) and the album (non-smart album) all contain versions--by definition.

    Annoying, I suppose. I think you'll have to re-tool how you think about these widgets and what they're supposed to be used for.
  • 5. Re: Aperture creating new versions unexpectedly
    Adrian Ziemkowski Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Why on earth would adding an image to a web gallery create a new version? I'd think that too would be a reference, same with a light table. If I make changes to the image I'd expect them to update in all those places, not havi to go and re-copy them.

    This is an extremely annoying quirk/bug/behavior in 1.1.
  • 6. Re: Aperture creating new versions unexpectedly
    Steve Hoge Level 2 Level 2 (160 points)
    Mmm...I don't think this explanation tells the whole story.

    Dragging an image out of the project container and into an enclosed (non-smart) album does NOT automatically generate a new version of the master image local to that album; instead, the album is populated with a new reference to the original version. Dragging that same image again out of the project container - or the first album - to yet another album generates yet another reference to the same underlying version.

    Edits performed in any of these containers propagate to the images in all containers (within a particular project, of course), demonstrating that each type of container holds merely a reference to the project's single original version.

    The Aperture User Manual is a bit ambiguous in its description (Chapter 5 pg 113) of the distinction between "copying" and "moving" images between projects and albums; I believe that when it refers to copying versions it's really talking about copying REFERENCES to versions between various containers.

    So, long story short, I don't think moving images between the various types of containers within a single project can explain your duplicated images.

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  • 7. Re: Aperture creating new versions unexpectedly
    dmrpix Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)
    Here's a couple of thoughts:
    1) Are the images in the project referenced in your smart album stacked?
    2) Do you have "Ignore stack groupings" deselected in the query HUD for your smart album?

    I ask because there is a reference in the new Apple Pro Training Series book on Aperture by Orlando Luna and Ben Long that may apply here. Here's the reference (p168 of the book):
    "Deselecting this option prevents duplicate versions of images from appearing when you use a Smart Album as a resource for Web Pages, Web Galleries, or Light Table. Aperture creates duplicate versions of images from a stack with the ignore stack options active to facilitate using one image instead of the entire stack."

    BTW: I've found the APTS on Aperture an excellent resource -- hands on exercises, workflow oriented.

    Mike

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  • 8. Re: Aperture creating new versions unexpectedly
    Gregory Rivers Level 2 Level 2 (450 points)
    it's a bug (IMO) which I reported quite some time ago. if you're encountering the same thing and think it's wrong/inappropriate behaviour, please use the feedback form to report it.
  • 9. Re: Aperture creating new versions unexpectedly
    granitepoint Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    This happened to me also with 1.1.1. I was not in a smart album just a project. Have not created any smart albums for that matter. I started editing an image and got hung up with the spinning beachball. After a restart I had over 50 new copies of the image I was editing. All I had done was to edit levels and sharpen.
  • 10. Re: Aperture creating new versions unexpectedly
    David G Chapman Level 4 Level 4 (1,390 points)
    In Light Table esp., you can resize and re-crop images ..... by definition that means I need a new version.... where it's held is a question, but no way can I survive without a new version being created somewhere. So this is a requirement and not a bug in my mind and I'd be ****** if I lost it. I haven't used Web Gallery that much (I will soon when I go on a shoot) but I would want to crop and straighten alongside my text, since that's where I have my context. If I cannot perform any manipulation there, then I would agree with you that a pointer would suffice. If I can't, I'll be raising an enhancement request to make it like Light Table.

    Albums are pointers to images in the Project, and so are not versions by definition. We could argue the merits, but it is the design point for Aperture.

    Either way, I'm not sure we've figured out what is behind the original issue.
  • 11. Re: Aperture creating new versions unexpectedly
    Steve Hoge Level 2 Level 2 (160 points)
    I started editing an image and got hung up with the spinning beachball.
    After a restart I had over 50 new copies of the image I was editing.
    All I had done was to edit levels and sharpen.


    This sounds suspiciously like you may have the Preferences checkbox
    “Create new versions when making adjustments” selected. According to the 1.0 manual, Aperture will "automatically create a new version
    when you adjust a selected image".

    They're a little coy here about exactly what UI action triggers a new version creation - is it ANY movement of any adjustment control, a change of focus out of the Adjustment Inspector (or HUD), or a change of focus out of the specific adjustment action tab, or something else?

    If it's the former - could this be? - and Aperture creates a new version after ANY uninterrupted movement of any adjustment control, then it seems to follow that 50 little tweaks of, say, the exposure slider would create 50 new versions. On my poor 1.25GHz Powerbook with only 1GB of RAM, that's plenty enough activity to get the beachball rolling.



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