12 Replies Latest reply: Mar 13, 2013 11:23 AM by Seth Eskigian
Seth Eskigian Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)

I'm on Aperture 2.1.4 and, I just updated my OS to 10.6.8 (yes, I know, I'm way behind... I don't like updating unless forced into it. I always have to fix problems. Anyway, Here's problem number one already. Now, Aperture crashes every single time I want to export a version of any image! I've tried it about 50 times... just doesn't work any more.

So, I started doing some research on it and it seems to happen a lot of folks... In doing this reseach (which I probably should have done more of long ago) I found out there are two different ways to manage your images. The "managed library" and "referenced folders"... Again, I know it would have been a good idea to know what I wanted from the beginning, but is there a way to switch over now? I have over 150 different PROJECTS in Aperture and a total of about 15,000 photos. I'm not a pro photographer, but to me that's A LOT of pics! Like anyone's photos they've taken, these are super important to me and I'd feel more comfortable knowing exactly where those image files are on my HD and be able to easily locate the folders. Easier for me to back them up to an external HD, etc.

Is there a way to do this now? Switch so my images are no longer in the "vault" or "library" and simply in a folder!?!

I really appreciate any help on this! thanks!

  • 1. Re: How to: Switch from managed library to referenced folders?
    Seth Eskigian Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)

    Update on my progress: I've done some more research and read other posts on this subject. It seems the way to do this is to: File -> Relocate Masters! When I attempt this, Aperture CRASHES! Won't let me do it!

    Any suggestions to fix this crashing issue?

    thanks!

  • 2. Re: How to: Switch from managed library to referenced folders?
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,830 points)

    To be honest not to many people here are still runnig 2 so getting help is going to be difficult.

     

    What is the format of the drive you are trying to relocate to?

    I would suggest you try to do a library repair and then try the relocate again.

  • 3. Re: How to: Switch from managed library to referenced folders?
    Seth Eskigian Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)

    It crashes when attempting to repair library...

    I'll just purchase V.3 and see if that fixes the problem!

  • 4. Re: How to: Switch from managed library to referenced folders?
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,830 points)

    Well getting 3 is a good idea in the long term but if the library is crashing when you try to repair it chances are Aperture 3 is going to have problems also.

     

    Before you attempt to open this library in 3 make sure you have a complete copy of it. If 3 tries to open it and has problems it could make things worst and you want to be able to get back to at least where you are now.

     

    Any chance to have a backup of the current library?

     

    good luck

     

    regards

  • 5. Re: How to: Switch from managed library to referenced folders?
    Kirby Krieger Level 6 Level 6 (11,945 points)

    Hi Seth -- just want to underscore Frank's recommendation: make sure your Library is in tip-top shape (or, at the least, that it works without problems) before upgrading.  Upgrading my provide additional functionality, but it is poor path to take if your Library is not currently functioning well.

     

    I do recommend you upgrade.  I just don't want to upgrade with the expectation that upgrading will resolve existing issues.

  • 6. Re: How to: Switch from managed library to referenced folders?
    Seth Eskigian Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)

    Does backing up with Time Machine count? Shouldn't that have a current version of the library?

  • 7. Re: How to: Switch from managed library to referenced folders?
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,830 points)

    That is better then nothing and in normal circumstances I'd say fine but given what you have written so far I'd feel more comfortable if you had a straight up copy of the library.

     

    If that is physically impossible because of space issues (remember the copied library won;t be around for more then then it take to get this fixed so you're not looking at tying up disk space forever) then you'll have to go with just the TM backup.

  • 8. Re: How to: Switch from managed library to referenced folders?
    Seth Eskigian Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)

    Oh, no... I have room! So, can I just find the library in the "User" folder and slide it over to a backup drive? Is that what you mean?

  • 9. Re: How to: Switch from managed library to referenced folders?
    léonie Level 9 Level 9 (51,720 points)

    Oh, no... I have room! So, can I just find the library in the "User" folder and slide it over to a backup drive? Is that what you mean?

    And make a backup of the Aperture 2 application as well, since your your library has been created with Aperture 2. You may need it to open the backup.

     

    Also, have a look at this support article http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2518  - scroll down to "A note on upgrading your Aperture library". It is recommended to rebuild the library before upgrading; since you are having trouble to repair it, I'd suggest you try to rebuild it while still running Aperture 2. The problem is, that after upgrading to Aperure 3 the library needs to be converted by Aperture 3 to a new format, and that may fail, if the library is not in perfect working order - see Kirby's warning above.

  • 10. Re: How to: Switch from managed library to referenced folders?
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,830 points)

    And make a backup of the Aperture 2 application as well

    Very good point. Either back it up or make sure you still have the original install media and serial number so you can re-install it if you have to.

  • 11. Re: How to: Switch from managed library to referenced folders?
    Seth Eskigian Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)

    Oh, I definitely have the Orig box and disc w/serial number on my shelf. So, I can always re-install if it comes to that!

    So, I'm just curious... As far as our theory of the library being "messed up" is concerned, would that issue (if it is that issue) preclude me from viewing and working on my images in Aperture? I went through several project folders this morning just to see what can and can't be done. It appears i can edit my images with many tools in Aperture. Color balance, cropping, even "duplicating" an image. This all works. I've looked through all my projects and all the photos are there and visible and editable. If the library is damaged, would this be possible?  Maybe I'm getting my hopes up and thinking it's just a compatibility issue with my OS and version of Aperture???

  • 12. Re: How to: Switch from managed library to referenced folders?
    Seth Eskigian Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)

    So, just an update on what I've discovered and done so far! Before doing any more "updating" to A3 or an OS update, I wanted to check out other ways of trying to recover my photos.

    So, here's what I did... and this is completely by accident, by the way. I remembered before I bought Aperture, I used to have my photos in iPhoto, so I opened that to see what was still in there. I stopped importing images to iPhone years ago, after the Aperture purchase, but I recall initially I was able to import my iPhoto library into Aperture... I wondered if there was a way to do that in reverse. Turns out, there is. There is a command in iPhoto called "Show Aperture Library" and  so I did... then, I created a new album in iPhoto and imported each project into iPhoto. THEN, just to make sure they were the high rez versions, I exported some samples and opened in Photoshop. They are, indeed, my high rez versions! So, two things.... 1) YAY... and 2) doesn't this seem to point to a different issue regarding Aperture? now that I have all my photos safely somewhere where I have access to them, I'm happy to upgrade now and see if it fixes this crashing issue. Your thoughts?