Currently Being ModeratedMar 13, 2013 6:30 PM (in response to dbmoore)
Open Aperture while holding down the shift key. This will force Aperture to skip preview generation. If Aperture runs it means you have a corrupted image in the library.
Post back the results and we'll take if from there,
Currently Being ModeratedMar 13, 2013 8:47 PM (in response to Frank Caggiano)
Thanks Frank. I was hoping it was simplar than that ...like a driver problem or some rogue plist file of imagecapture. Ive tried everything else so I guess I have nothing to loss except time and start figuring out which image. Probably something with a mask in channels from PS to make a knockout would be my first guess. Ill let you know. Any other ideas out there????? Cheers
Currently Being ModeratedMar 13, 2013 10:02 PM (in response to Frank Caggiano)
Yes I can open the library by using the shift key or just open it and turn off the process of building thumbnails. Sorry I should of mentioned that. Im now looking for paths or extra channels, in PS, in certain product jobs Ive had. Found some but have a long way to go. Not sure why it would work for a while and then just quit... probalble a rebuild of the datatbase set it off again. Ill mark the problemed solved in a week once Im back up and fully running. Thanks again DBM
Currently Being ModeratedMar 14, 2013 1:15 AM (in response to dbmoore)
Lib is Referenced with images on Drobo S.
How is your "Drobo S. " formatted? Preview generation can also fail, if the filename has a corruption, not only if the media part of an image has corrupted data. If your Drobo is not MacOS Extended you may have copied a filename that MacOS X cannot deal with, or one of your image filenames may contain invisible characters. So, in addition to Frank's advice, I'd suggest also to screen the filenames, not only "Probably something with a mask in channels from PS". And frequently it is a video that was imported together with the image files, that is causing the preview generation to crash.
One way to search would be to turn on the Activity Window (Window > Show Activity) and to select your most recent imports in the Browser, then use the command "Photos > Update Previews". The Activity window will show you the filename of the currently processed image. Look, if Aperture is unusally slow on some images.
- If it crashes, you will know that the culprit is among the currently processed set.
- Then use Frank's "Divide and Conquer" strategy - I do not find a link to his post, where he described the method first. But the general idea is to split the set of the suspect images into halves:
- Try to build previews for half of the suspect images. If it succedes, you'll know these images are o.k. If it does not succeed, even better. The culprit is within the batch you just processed.
- Split the set again, and keep subdividing the part that makes Aperture crash.
- By systematically splitting and testing partial sets of images you can test 1000000 images by only splitting the set of images to be tested twenty times. So it is not really hopeless, it only requires keeping track of images already tested. Having two albums "Images to be tested" and "Images already tested and ok" may help. If the images is among your most recently media and you only have to test 500 images or so, you should be done with 9 splits and tests.
Currently Being ModeratedMar 14, 2013 6:06 AM (in response to dbmoore)
Thanks Frank and Leonie. I have a correction to make an appologies for the confusion. The Title to the problem is correct but in the dscription I wronglysaid Previews. I have Previews set to never in AP preference. AP is trying to rebuild the Thumbnails even though I can see them while using AP. If I cancel the Process of rebuilding Thumbnails I can use AP just fine. So if you havent thrown your hands up in frustration and still willing to help Im here humbley listening. dbm
Currently Being ModeratedMar 14, 2013 6:14 AM (in response to dbmoore)
Pretty much everything still holds.
It appears you have a corruption (either in the file data or filename) in the library.
Setting Previews to never in the Preferences only keeps Aperture from generating previews in new projects. It says nothing about what happens with projects already in existence.
If that preferences was ever set to generate previews then the projects that were made at that time are still generating previews.
Currently Being ModeratedMar 14, 2013 7:45 AM (in response to dbmoore)
Frank it seems strange that when I select a whole month of images to generat a new thumbnail, the activity process window shows prevews being built and not thumbnails. Guess I can go back and delete previews to keep the lib small. The only time I see thumbnails being built is when I first open AP it starts at 80k of images but not from oldest to newest, just random. My hope was to rebuild thumbnails only in ordered sections with out previews being built. Thanks for your help really appreciate it. One other question .... I know that AP dosent like masks saved as channels but How does AP like paths built for knockouts. I think it the extra channel built in PS is what gives AP a problem and not the Path. But If its Paths then I need to delete those as well I guess. Thanks for your help really appreciate it.
Currently Being ModeratedMar 14, 2013 8:58 AM (in response to dbmoore)
I think it the extra channel built in PS is what gives AP a problem and not the Path. But If its Paths then I need to delete those as well I guess. Thanks for your help really appreciate it.
I would test that by importing a Photoshop image with paths into a new Aperture library, created just for testing. Use "File > Switch to lIbrary > Other/new" to create test library and import one single image. Then you will see, what Aperture can handle.
Aperture should be able to import tiffs and psd files with layers and alpha channel, only it does not promise to be able to edit them and to create correct thumbnails or previews.
Currently Being ModeratedMar 14, 2013 3:57 PM (in response to léonie)
Leonie! the Drobo S is a NAS with its own format I believe. Pretty sure its not OsX Journaled. I had a similar problem years ago with masks saved as a channel and AP would not be able to create a correct thumbnail. I could easily go through my catelog and see the files that were coruputed. Now all thumbnails are correct so very hard to see where the problem is. I will divide and concur the lib after I check out the jobs that I know I have paths and masks in. Thank you for your thoughts. David
Currently Being ModeratedMar 19, 2013 7:18 AM (in response to dbmoore)
Update: Been watching the pie Chart in Activity monitor while using AP and while using PS both togather and separately. Seems to me the Inactive Ram (blue) does not give up ram to the program that needs it. When it gets close to NO free space the page outs occure even if I have 3.8gb inactive ram available. When the pageouts occure I then get the original problem that when closing AP I get the Updating Lib message and have to wait 20 min for it to finish. The Thumbnail process may be heavey on ram due to the Drobo, still thinking about that. But I think there is something wrong if I have close to 4 gb inactive ram and still Page Out. So I think its time to Nuke this old 2009 MBP and start fresh.....or buy a new imac... Preparing to Nuke in between jobs.
Frank and Leonie thank you for your time Ill let you know.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 13, 2013 1:53 PM (in response to dbmoore)
Update: Ive separated all five years of projects by year and have found a few previews that were bad and some missing images. Now my most current Lib is 2013 and crashed importing some images. Crashed Thread 0 then restaarted and imported fine.
Process: Aperture 
Version: 3.4.3 (3.4.3)
Build Info: Aperture-310022000000000~1
Code Type: X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process: launchd 
User ID: 501
Date/Time: 2013-04-13 13:23:42.949 -0700
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.8.3 (12D78)
Report Version: 10
Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
Exception Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x0000000000000023
VM Regions Near 0x23:
__TEXT 000000010029e000-00000001009f4000 [ 7512K] r-x/rwx SM=COW /Applications/Aperture.app/Contents/MacOS/Aperture
Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0 libobjc.A.dylib 0x0000000104a984d8 objc_msgSend_vtable4 + 24
1 com.apple.iLifeSQLAccess 0x00000001042244f7 -[HgModel isEqual:] + 67
2 com.apple.Aperture 0x000000010052be54 0x10029e000 + 2678356
3 com.apple.Aperture 0x00000001005276f6 0x10029e000 + 2660086
4 com.apple.Aperture 0x000000010051e91e 0x10029e000 + 2623774
5 libdispatch.dylib 0x000000010788ff01 _dispatch_call_block_and_release + 15
6 libdispatch.dylib 0x000000010788c0b6 _dispatch_client_callout + 8
7 libdispatch.dylib 0x00000001078910c8 _dispatch_main_queue_callback_4CF + 275
8 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x0000000102505b4c __CFRunLoopRun + 1644
9 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x00000001025050e2 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 290
10 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x000000010662deb4 RunCurrentEventLoopInMode + 209
11 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x000000010662dc52 ReceiveNextEventCommon + 356
12 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x000000010662dae3 BlockUntilNextEventMatchingListInMode + 62
13 com.apple.AppKit 0x0000000105144563 _DPSNextEvent + 685
14 com.apple.AppKit 0x0000000105143e22 -[NSApplication nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 128
15 com.apple.Aperture 0x0000000100714205 0x10029e000 + 4678149
16 com.apple.AppKit 0x000000010513b1d3 -[NSApplication run] + 517
17 com.apple.prokit 0x0000000102e156c5 NSProApplicationMain + 378
18 com.apple.Aperture 0x00000001002ae4a2 0x10029e000 + 66722
19 com.apple.Aperture 0x00000001002addf4 0x10029e000 + 65012
Thread 1:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.libdispatch-manager
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x0000000107aa6d16 kevent + 10
1 libdispatch.dylib 0x000000010788edea _dispatch_mgr_invoke + 883
2 libdispatch.dylib 0x000000010788e9ee _dispatch_mgr_thread + 54
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x0000000107aa60fa __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x0000000107935023 _pthread_cond_wait + 927
2 com.apple.Foundation 0x00000001045cffe3 -[NSCondition waitUntilDate:] + 357
3 com.apple.Foundation 0x00000001045cfe39 -[NSConditionLock lockWhenCondition:beforeDate:] + 235
4 com.apple.proxtcore 0x000000010410003a -[XTMsgQueue waitForMessage] + 47
5 com.apple.proxtcore 0x00000001040ff282 -[XTThread run:] + 329
6 com.apple.Foundation 0x00000001045a4cd2 __NSThread__main__ + 1345
7 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00000001079307a2 _pthread_start + 327
8 libsystem_c.dylib 0x000000010791d1e1 thread_start + 13
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x0000000107aa66d6 __workq_kernreturn + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x0000000107932f4c _pthread_workq_return + 25
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x0000000107932d13 _pthread_wqthread + 412
3 libsystem_c.dylib 0x000000010791d1d1 start_wqthread + 13
Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (64-bit):
rax: 0x0000000000000003 rbx: 0x0000000000000002 rcx: 0x00007fff5f960201 rdx: 0x000000010430fa18
rdi: 0x00007f9c6f8de600 rsi: 0x00007f9c68400260 rbp: 0x00007fff5f960340 rsp: 0x00007fff5f960318
r8: 0x0000000000012068 r9: 0x00007fff5f9602a0 r10: 0x00000001197fc800 r11: 0x00007f9c68c32e98
r12: 0x0000000000000036 r13: 0x0000000104a97240 r14: 0x00007f9c6b278f10 r15: 0x00007f9c6f8de600
rip: 0x0000000104a984d8 rfl: 0x0000000000010246 cr2: 0x0000000000000023
Logical CPU: 0
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So Im thinking that even though I have reciently reintalled AP and OSX mt lion I need to do it again?
Unless you see anyting in the above? Guess Ill build a new account and see if that improves stability.
Thanks for input!!!!