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Mar 13, 2013 5:01 PM

I am doing a persuasive speech in one of my classes at school. I chose the topic Mac vs. PC. I am definitely on the side of team Mac. Basically half the class is for Mac and the other half is for PC. Does anyone want to help me out in some points I can make about What Mac has to offer that PC cannot? I was thinking along the lines of the processors and graphics, and maybe even talk about other things like wireless keyboards (not sure if PC's offer wireless keyboards), battery life, etc. Basically anything would help! Thanks for the help in advance!

Macbook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.2)
  • Shootist007 Level 6 Level 6 (16,640 points)
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    Mar 13, 2013 5:43 PM (in response to trludt)

    The only real differences between the 2 platforms are the OS they run, Mac OS X at this time does not have an viruses written for it, the case they are packaged in and the cost. Mac being more expensive for the same hardware but the case is all sleek and slim.

     

    Good Luck with your presentation.

  • a brody Level 9 Level 9 (62,005 points)
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    Mar 13, 2013 5:48 PM (in response to trludt)

    http://www.macvspc.info has a wealth of info.  Starting in 2006, Macs could legally run all PC operating systems without suffering a speed slowdown running those PC operating systems.  Whereas Apple made their operating systems run on a different firmware that was more closely tied to their firmware still, so non-Apple machines still couldn't run the Mac operating systems well if at all, and Apple maintained the license agreement forbidding running the Mac operating system on anything other than a Mac.

  • Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (48,105 points)
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    Mar 13, 2013 6:03 PM (in response to trludt)

    I think you are on completely the wrong track comparing Hardware. The differences there are miniscule.

     

    The BIG feature that the Mac has is approachability and usability for casual Users. Apple has worked hard for many years to provide a very consistent and very forgiving, easy to use interface across all Applications. If you know how to operate one Mac Application, you already know how to operate most others as well.

     

    If you are willing to clutter your mind with keyboard shortcuts for the programs you use all the time, you need not take your hands off the keyboard, it is just as fast to operate as any other computer. But you do not need to do that just to use it.

     

    Macs read Windows files directly. Windows computer do not acknowledge that there are other kinds of computers in the world.

     

    Consumer Reports surveys suggest Apple provides the best customer support of any computer maker.

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  • John Galt Level 7 Level 7 (33,045 points)
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    Mar 13, 2013 6:13 PM (in response to trludt)

    A persuasive argument based strictly on hardware misses the point. All computers have CPUs and GPUs, memory, power supplies, displays, keyboards, etc. Apple enjoys an advantage in that they design the hardware will run its operating system, over which they have sole control. Attempting to separate the two is a fool's errand.

     

    Excluding the Surface PC (which I have used and consider a piece of trash) no PC manufacturer develops or controls the operating system it is designed to run. The few PC hardware manufacturers compete with one another on the basis of cost. Except for a few specialty manufacturers selling to niche markets, Alienware and Panasonic for instance, low cost is their one and only goal. That means their hardware must be the absolute cheapest they can obtain and assemble.

     

    HP is one of the top two PC makers yet HP's support forum (in which I used to actively participate) is full of complaints regarding problems that often have no solution. Things simply stop working, often as a result of Microsoft's unending "critical" security updates or other factors beyond HP's control. Many proposed answers point to Windows as the cause, and they are often correct. Microsoft points at hardware problems, and they are often correct. HP points at their hardware supplier's firmware deficiencies, over which they have no control, so they are often correct. Everyone points at everyone else in a big finger-pointing-circle exercise, with the result that none of them can fix anything.

     

    Factors that are within a PC manufacturer's control require time-consuming shipping to and from their repair facilities, none of which are as convenient as an Apple Store. Many of those forum participants express frustration at HP's lack of concern and abruptly conclude they are giving up and moving to Apple. Go to their support forum, or Dell's for that matter, and see for yourself. They are nothing like this one.

     

    My own HP PCs spent a significant time in repair or shipment to and from, meaning I lost a significant amount of time using them even when they were under warranty. Each lasted about three years and finally succumbed to failed logic boards or GPUs. Peruse Craigslist and look at the asking prices for used PCs, or completed eBay listings. Used PCs are difficult to even give them away - in fact, that's how I got so many used hard disks. I take them from PCs that were discarded after their owners could no longer cope with or eradicate the viruses that infected them, or failed logic boards, or screens whose backlight failed, or overheated GPUs, or failed power supplies... the list is long. I take the memory and hard disks and throw the rest away. It was junk the day it was built.

     

    Lastly, Macs can run any number of operating systems concurrently, in addition to OS X. No Windows PC can run OS X. Game over.

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  • a brody Level 9 Level 9 (62,005 points)
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    Mar 14, 2013 9:21 AM (in response to trludt)

    Tell them that Macs can run more software than PCs, and this has been true since 2006.   Tell them that in general they last longer.   Tell them in general, the quality of the hardware is better.     Tell them that administrating their operating system is easier.   If they wish to find out more, they need to read this tip:

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-2741

  • Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (48,105 points)
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    Mar 14, 2013 9:35 AM (in response to trludt)

    Research Apple did some time ago suggested Mac users bought and used many more Applications in an office environment than PC users ever did. They made two points:

     

    • Mac Applications were much easier to use, and that is why users could buy and use more without additional training.

     

    • "Life Cycle Cost" for Macs was lower because they simply had fewer problems (not just malware, but all sorts -- hardware AND software). Mac support costs much less, regardless of the Hardware cost.

     

    Since that time, the argument has been made in many corporate environments that if you need Mac Programs and Windows Programs, it is cheaper to have one computer that can run both. That computer is a Macintosh.

    Mac Pro (Early 2009), Mac OS X (10.6.8), & Server, PPC, & AppleTalk Printers
  • ds store Level 7 Level 7 (30,305 points)
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    Mar 14, 2013 9:53 AM (in response to trludt)

    trludt wrote:

     

    I am doing a persuasive speech in one of my classes at school. I chose the topic Mac vs. PC.

     

    You picked a difficult subject because of the technical details involved and people's personal opinions and limited experiences, you'll likely divide the class and cause one side to dislike you for some reason or another.

     

    I suggest you either avoid the topic, choose another or handle it in a neutral manner that gives credit that PC's are good for some things and Mac's are good for other things.

     

    For instance:

     

     

    You have to argue why spending a lot more for computer is justified when Mac's have basically the same hardware specs and performance as PC's.

     

    You'll have to argue why one would choose OS X with less software titles than Windows with tons more.

     

    You'll have to argue why using a small limited hardware line is preferred than having tons of choices on PC's.

     

    You'll have to argue why would adopt using OS X on Mac when Windows PC support is so numerous and close by, often free from many other users.

     

    You'll have to argue why 3D gaming is nearly non-existent on Mac's and why many of those developers avoid our platform entirely.

     

    You can't argue that Mac's last longer, because they don't.

     

    You can't argue that OS X is easier to use than Windows because they are about the same (not including Win 8)

     

    You can't argue that Apple's support is better, it's really not that good really, but you can argue your paying for it in the higher price of a new machine which you are.

     

     

     

    You could argue that the Mac + OS X has a better fit and finish, attention to detail than Windows/PC's.

     

    You could argue that Mac's get less malware than Windows, but can't say we didn't get any which we have lately.

     

    You could argue that Mac's make a better choice for consumers, but less of a choice for business and more professional users.

     

    You could argue the Mac hardware is of a better build quality across the board, verses the wide range of bad to good on PC's.

     

     

     

    Keep in mind that Mac users see OS X + Mac hardware as one thing, where as with PC users they see Windows and PC hardware as seperate things.

     

    Windows is on a lot of different hardware, where OS X is generally only on Mac's.

     

    So your also have to argue why it's more beneficial to be locked into a both a hardware and software from one company, which PC users don't have as they are only locked into Windows and can choose from any PC vendor they please.

  • John Galt Level 7 Level 7 (33,045 points)
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    Mar 14, 2013 10:30 AM (in response to trludt)

    trludt wrote:

     

    I have very ignorant people in my class that continuously argue the cost difference between Mac and PC. 

     

    Macs are cheaper to own, much cheaper, if you consider total cost of ownership, which must be considered in any purchase decision. This has always been the case, since 1984, and the myth refuses to die.

     

    Dell built an empire on unrealistically low entry costs. Its empire eventually crumbled but it took consumers and businesses over a decade to begin to understand the implications of TCO. Plenty of them are still deluding themselves, and some will never learn. Ignorant people are incapable of learning - that's why they're ignorant.

     

    a brody's Mac vs. PC link addresses TCO, but it is buried in a lengthy document. Google "TCO Mac PC" for some more recent research. Conclusions will be immediately obvious.

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