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  • yogix Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 16, 2013 4:03 PM (in response to Mehdi.C)

    I did this last year and for me it did not work although the backup lasted longer without verification.

  • petesguitar1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 16, 2013 4:10 PM (in response to Folbo)

    Hey Apple, seriously, get this sorted out. It is not my job to go trawling through the internet to slap together fixes that 'might' work if the temperature, wind direction and humidity are correct on a given day. That's waht we all paid YOU for. You sold us a product and it does not work - this is pathetic!

  • Pondini Level 8 Level 8 (38,710 points)
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    Mar 16, 2013 4:12 PM (in response to petesguitar1)

    You are not talking to Apple here.  This is a user-to-user forum.

     

    If you wish to contact Apple, click the Contact link at the bottom of this page, or see Reporting a Problem to Apple.

  • petesguitar1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 16, 2013 4:17 PM (in response to Pondini)

    I understand that, so maybe just venting a little. I have submitted multiple problem reports to Apple and now have orgainsed for a call under my AppleCare Protection Plan. This forum is supported by Apple.com so they should definitely have representation here.

  • Mehdi.C Calculating status...
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    Mar 16, 2013 4:19 PM (in response to yogix)

    It just finish, 212mb of data saved and it did a verification of the disk after the save, no error.

     

     

    I'll see on a long time, if i can pass 1 month it will be already good

  • JDW1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 16, 2013 4:24 PM (in response to Pondini)

    It never fails that someone who literally lives in the forums here, and who has tens of thousands of points their name, is quick to chime in with the tired old phrase, "You're not talking to Apple here."

     

    The fact is that these forms are easily searchable via Google. And it is well-known that Apple is not completely oblivious to the content of their own forums, even if one contends that they do not actively watch every single post.  And although it is "right and proper" and perhaps "most effective" to go through the proper channels to send feedback to Apple (and I often do so myself, in fact), the fact is that enough shouting in its forums will eventually catch Apple's ear.  Keep in mind that the media watches discussion trends here and reports on them from time to time.

     

    The way that a lot of these forum gurus guys get all of these points to their names is by following the rules perfectly and by being completely right and proper in all that they do. Overall, they do a lot of good in the forums, and many people report them for that with points. Such is admirable and worthy of praise. But most people are not like that. Most of us something want to simply express ourselves in the forum without being bashed by someone who is right and proper!  It may not be Mr. Spock style logical, but it is human.

     

    So, Pete, keep strumming that guitar in this forum with every tune your heart can muster.

  • Pondini Level 8 Level 8 (38,710 points)
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    Mar 16, 2013 4:25 PM (in response to petesguitar1)

    petesguitar1 wrote:

    . . .

    This forum is supported by Apple.com so they should definitely have representation here.

    Perhaps they should, but they don't.  They never post here about technical issues (the Hosts post occasionally in the https://discussions.apple.com/community/using_apple_support_communities forum, but only about the workings of the forum).

     

    Apple may do some general "data-mining," and may occasionally review individual threads or posts, but as far as any of us mere mortals can tell, they use other means.

  • Pondini Level 8 Level 8 (38,710 points)
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    Mar 16, 2013 4:31 PM (in response to JDW1)

    JDW1 wrote:

    . . .

    The way that a lot of these forum gurus guys get all of these points to their names is by following the rules perfectly and by being completely right and proper in all that they do.

    Nope. 

     

    Points result from actually helping folks.  They're awarded only by the person who started a thread.

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/static/apple/tutorial/reputation.html

  • JDW1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 16, 2013 5:28 PM (in response to Pondini)

    What I said and what you said, guru, are one in the same.  You were simply being more proper about it, as usual.

     

    Just back off and leave people alone when they wish to vent.

     

    And since Apple is not reading this forum, I have no worry that what I say to you will be deleted by them.

     

    |-)

  • Pondini Level 8 Level 8 (38,710 points)
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    Mar 16, 2013 5:37 PM (in response to JDW1)

    JDW1 wrote:

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    Just back off and leave people alone when they wish to vent.

    Not everyone realizes that posting here is extremely unlikely to get Apple's attention to technical problems.  

     

     

    And since Apple is not reading this forum, I have no worry that what I say to you will be deleted by them.

    I didn't say nobody from Apple reads them.  I said they rarely read them for technical content, and never post here, except in the forum about the workings of the forum.  The Hosts (not techs, but the ones that manage the forums) may read posts, especially if someone reports them, and will edit or delete them if they violate the terms of use.  Kindly note that item 2.2 there starts "Be polite."

  • petesguitar1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 17, 2013 3:14 AM (in response to Folbo)

    Thanks JDW1 - I use my mac to make music so I will never stop strumming.

     

    As for 2.2, polite is a subjective term so for me to tell Apple t get their $#!t together is polite by my standards

     

    As for Apple reading these forums, well when they call me tomorrow morning at the alotted time I will advise their consultant to refer to this thread. I have done it before with great success, and I will do it again.

     

    Pondini, do you work for Apple?

  • Pondini Level 8 Level 8 (38,710 points)
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    Mar 17, 2013 8:41 AM (in response to petesguitar1)

    petesguitar1 wrote:

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    As for Apple reading these forums, well when they call me tomorrow morning at the alotted time I will advise their consultant to refer to this thread. I have done it before with great success, and I will do it again.

    You won't be the first (you do know this thread is over a year old).  I hope, but doubt, it will help.

     

    Pondini, do you work for Apple?

    Nope.  As noted above, this is a user-to-user forum. Apple does not post in these forums (except as noted earlier).  

     

    And in spite of what some here have assumed, I'm far from a fanboy -- I file lots of bug reports to fix things that are broken, and enhancement requests to change things that are missing or badly designed, especially during beta testing. 

  • austin_george Calculating status...
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    Mar 17, 2013 8:50 AM (in response to Pondini)

    Everyone please stop ********, it fills the thread with crap and devalues the significance of the problem.

     

    File a bug report like everyopne else if you dont like the bug.

     

    Austin

  • JDW1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 17, 2013 2:14 PM (in response to austin_george)

    Actually, Austin, it can be effectivly argued that anything within this thread that does not directly contribute to a solution to the root problem is the very feces you condemn, which includes your own post. 

     

    I have filed a bug report on this topic, as have countless others here.  And yet, what has Apple done?  So far nothing.  I've filed countless bug reports on many other topics as well, both via the Feedback form and the Developer Bug Reporter.  You get no reply from Apple when you submit a bug via the standard Feedback form, but with the Develoer Bug Reporter, you get some interaction.  But most of the time, you will receive and automated response from the Developer Bug Reporter that tells you the bug you reported has already been logged.  And while, in theory anyway, your additional bug report will further encourage Apple to work hard on getting that bug fixed, most of the time the bugs seem to never get fixed.  It's usually after mentioning this fact that the fanboys jump in and defend Apple with all their might saying we should trust that Apple is fixing things according to a priority list superior to our own.  But all the while the bugs that afflict our daily lives go unfixed.

     

    Until the bugs either get fixed or until there is an acceptable workaround that is easy enough for anyone to implement, any dialog we may share does not matter at all.  But at least when it comes to moaning and complaining, when there is a long enough list of moaners who moan loud enough — often catching the media's eye — Apple may be stung by such a sufficiently painful stinger that they are compelled to act.  Therefore moaning does not in fact "devalue the problem" at all.  Instead, it has the potential to bring more attention to the problem!  I cite the following as past evidence of the present truth I proclaim...

     

    "Can anyone tell me what MobileMe is supposed to do?" After Steve Jobs receives a reasonably good answer he proceeds, "So why the f*** doesn't it do that?"

     

    And here's what set Mr. Jobs off in a rage against his own team at Apple:

     

    "Mossberg, our friend, is no longer writing good things about us."

     

     

    Did Mossberg act alone?  Was he the only voice out there saying negatives about MobileMe?  Hardly!  The media includes more than just the Wall Street Journal, and it is a very powerful influence on Apple.  And enough people moaning and complaining in Apple's own forums is a powerful seed that can grow into a painful thorn bush when fertilized by the media.  Therefore, any words here that discourage people from moaning and potentially inciting the media are words that truly "devalue the problem." 

     

    ANYTHING that gets Apple to act, fix bugs, and in general make things better for all of us is the only thing that matters.  As such, go ahead and preach "file a bug report!"  That is good advice we should all follow.  But stop bashing folks in threads like this one when they vent some steam and cry out with, "Apple, are you listening?"  You may be surprised to know that they are listening.

     

    Never underestimate your collective power.  Keep the pressure on Apple.  Your cries are not in vain.

  • MacPear Calculating status...
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    Mar 20, 2013 11:07 AM (in response to JDW1)

    Hey guys!

     

    i created a new backup to my new Linkstation NAS (the old one died unfortunately the same day as my iMacs HDD began to die. but i was incredibly lucky that it would run for almost 40min before becoming to hot. and connected as an external hdd,  i could restore my system within initial OSX setup. but that's another story)

     

    according to apple care's statement (see rrichards postings), i made the initial TM backup with wired connection AND i turned off ANY energy savings within OSX energy saving settings (no computer goto sleep, no hdd goto sleep). And no NAS goto sleep as well. no problems so far.

     

    now i am curious to see if it will fail again. therefore i want to use garth gillespie's method (within terminal):

     

    imac-IMACNAME:~ root# chflags -R nouchg /Volumes/TimeMachine/USERNAME\ MYNAMES\ iMac_2012-07-16-115951.sparsebundle

    imac-IMACNAME:~ root# hdiutil attach -nomount -noverify -noautofsck /Volumes/TimeMachine/USERNAME\ MYNAMES\ iMac_2012-07-16-115951.sparsebundle

    /dev/disk1              Apple_partition_scheme            

    /dev/disk1s1            Apple_partition_map               

    /dev/disk1s2            Apple_HFSX                        

    imac-IMACNAME:~ root# tail -f /var/log/fsck_hfs.log

    /dev/rdisk1s2:    Executing fsck_hfs (version diskdev_cmds-491.6~3).

    QUICKCHECK ONLY; FILESYSTEM DIRTY

     

    .. or clean. i will see, if i dare.

     

    anyone knows if this procedure would probably corrupt my backup?

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