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  • pipogoro Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 18, 2013 1:20 AM (in response to David M Brewer)

     

     

    pipogoro wrote:

     

    Back to the original issue guys…

     

    As a pro

    From now the DVD player is died in the iMac. DVDs are low res... in this age where people want 1080p media. Nothing you can do will return the DVD player  to the iMac. As a pro you shouldn't rant about something that is easily fixed... BUY A DVD PLAYER! Pros don't bicker about the simples things. They are out to make money at all cost.

     

    I haven't seen one pro person in this thread as of yet... just whiners.... (There are some in this thread who have asked about the DVD not being in the new iMacs. They get a answer, buy one. Their happy with the answer and go off to make videos, make money and enjoy life!!! These people are pro's at living life to it's fullest.)

     

    Well…. There are all kinds of pros out there… I’m one of them, yeah I know for you the top lawyer I’m like the guy from the simpsons that goes chasing after the ambulance to get a case…. But a lawyer at last… A Pro at last… If I was actually benefited from all the digitalization in the industry, like many of us  were told to at the moment, I wouldn’t even be thinking of getting an iMac, I and many other people would be getting a Mac Pro to go with their actual interests or needs… But since it’s a rough business I have to find comfort in working an iMac… Wish I could ditch the MF DVD… Also I think it’s a piece of  s***t, but in what I do, and all the other scavengers from this post do, it’s still needed… 

  • El Deanio Level 3 Level 3 (735 points)
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    Mar 18, 2013 4:09 AM (in response to pipogoro)

    I  read something disturbing the other day.  Apple are reported to be dropping the Mac Pro from its line up!

     

    Wahhh!! 

  • Paul_31 Level 6 Level 6 (12,215 points)
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    Mar 18, 2013 4:15 AM (in response to El Deanio)

    That sounds wrong. Tim Cook has previously mentioned there will be an updated Mac Pro in 2013.

    The current Mac Pro is no longer available in Europe as it didn't meet some new EU regulation. Hopefully any replacement will and once again be available there.

  • pipogoro Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 18, 2013 5:09 AM (in response to El Deanio)

    Hey Deanio!!!! Check this site it has saved me big buck over time!!!!

    http://www.macrumors.com/2013/02/06/apple-tells-reseller-that-the-new-mac-pro-is -arriving-in-spring-2013/

    http://www.macrumors.com/2013/02/18/mac-pro-now-unavailable-for-purchase-from-eu ropean-apple-online-stores/

    Regrettably I couldn't find the one that says it's going to be produced in the new plant, when finished, in the US...

    The thing with the mac pro is that they are hitting TV territory... When everything was moved to digital, TV stations left big bucks on new stuff and then when they hit them with HD TV's told them to go "love" themselves... So they created mpeg-4 so they could broadcast with virtually the same equipment. They needed new cameras…

    When you leave big bucks on a MacPro you are supposed to retrieve the investment... So they slow down production... Bet that if they launch new MacPro they should do the same with final cut and the other stuff... Although they are pretty slow on the software front...

    What terrifies me about no DVD on the iMacs today is that apple is absolutely dropping production of stuff. I’m on a Dual G5 tower that absolutely rocks, almost 10 years running it!!!! Shame wont be able to keep it working much longer, they don’t upgrade safari, flash or java anymore…

     

    Here’s one for the laugh!!!!!

     

    http://www.macrumors.com/2013/03/17/thx-sues-apple-over-alleged-narrow-profile-s peaker-patent-infringement/

  • justamacguy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 19, 2013 1:49 PM (in response to David M Brewer)

    Oooops... caught. I did put the wrong figure in the calculator. Try more like 37 minutes to download.

     

    Yes it is nice to know the customers internet speeds, but the reality of it is when dealing with reception hall owners and helpers your lucky if they know whether they have an LED or CTR in the hall, let alone know anything about their internet transmission rates. Your statement of using a nice 280 line video is valid for a computer display, but remember, we are talking about deliering on a minimum 40" and up to 70" TV or a projector. That is where the final product goes.

     

    Everybody has their own work flow... If it works for you, well, it works for you. You might want to look at doing in-house BluRay. You can get a Pioneer burner for $60 to $70 if you watch the sales. While killing the DVD in the iMac, Apple obviously is not totally ready to abandon it for pros or they would not have built the ability to burn BluRay directly to disc with FCP X. It's just too bad they don't provide the burner.

  • justamacguy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 19, 2013 2:01 PM (in response to R C-R)

    Just because you carry a lot of gear doesn't mean you are any better of a pro. We try to carry for efficiencey rather than looks. Yes we do carry some backup gear, but that stays in the truck unless absolutely needed. Most shoots consist of 2 cameras plus one floater camera. We never carry mixers. Just a couple of Zoom H1's with lav mics. And only 2 batteries per camera. We shoot NX-5's and a singe battery gives us around 4 hrs of shooting time. It's pretty minimalist compared to what I see other carry. We do all of our mixing in FCP X. While many videographers think FCP X is not good because it doesn't look conventional it's ability to multicam and sync audio within the program is a huge time saver. It is the fastest assemble out there if you learn it.

  • David M Brewer Level 6 Level 6 (9,180 points)
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    Mar 19, 2013 2:10 PM (in response to David M Brewer)

    People who want Blu-ray burnig right now can burn BR discs using the standard DVD burner and Compressor 4 from Apple. You can only burn about 30 minutes of videos. For most people that enough time for a video disc. These discs will play on BR players.

     

    (Kids...holiday... family get together and want-not videos.)

  • David M Brewer Level 6 Level 6 (9,180 points)
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    Mar 19, 2013 2:16 PM (in response to justamacguy)

    justamacguy wrote:

     

    Oooops... caught. I did put the wrong figure in the calculator. Try more like 37 minutes to download.

     

    Yes it is nice to know the customers internet speeds, but the reality of it is when dealing with reception hall owners and helpers your lucky if they know whether they have an LED or CTR in the hall, let alone know anything about their internet transmission rates. Your statement of using a nice 280 line video is valid for a computer display, but remember, we are talking about deliering on a minimum 40" and up to 70" TV or a projector. That is where the final product goes.

     

    Everybody has their own work flow... If it works for you, well, it works for you. You might want to look at doing in-house BluRay. You can get a Pioneer burner for $60 to $70 if you watch the sales. While killing the DVD in the iMac, Apple obviously is not totally ready to abandon it for pros or they would not have built the ability to burn BluRay directly to disc with FCP X. It's just too bad they don't provide the burner.

     

    Call ahead and ask them if they have what you want... or what your dealing with. Takes 15 minutes... If they don't understand your question or needs, they shouldn't be renting a hall. If I do have problems, I call the client and let them deal with it. Their not paying me to deal with this problem... it's theirs problem not mine to see if the hall has what he wants.

  • El Deanio Level 3 Level 3 (735 points)
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    Mar 19, 2013 5:09 PM (in response to R C-R)

    R C-R wrote:

     

    Westy220586 wrote:

    **** it I've just bought one of these as well thought it would have come as standard , can I use a external DVD drive with it then?

    Sure. You could get the Apple USB "SuperDrive" or a third party optical drive, like maybe one of these OWC Blu-Ray alternatives.

     

    I just bought a new iMac too & I'm probably going to get this one to go with it. As I have mentioned elsewhere in this topic, I don't want another troublesome slot-loading optical drive so that tray-loader looks 'good enough' to me.

     

    Be warned, some external drives only work properly when plugged directly into a USB slot in the iMac. So if you are running low on USB slots, you won't necessarily be able to get around this by the usual dodge of using a powered USB hub.

     

    I bought an LG Blue Ray Writer in late 2011.  Plugged it into my Belkin USB hub.  Wouldn't work properly.  So I plugged it into my last remaining free USB socket in the back of my iMac and it's fine.  Great for an alternative to watching my Blue Ray discs on the PS3 and super for archiving all my old home movies.  Can burn other stuff too, even DVD RAM discs. Discs costs comparatively little with no perennial subscription to pay for space on someone's server. I can use them any time I want to and what's more, so can others in my family.

  • justamacguy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 19, 2013 5:15 PM (in response to David M Brewer)

    I understand what you are saying... they should know, but the cold hard facts that we have experienced are probably 95% of the venues I have played in only know that you put the disc in the player and push the button. Usually they have to leave the phone to go see what the brand of the TV and player is that they have. On wedding we did last year was in a 3 story palatial country club on the edge of a beautiful golf course. Building was only 3 or 4 years old. Player hooked to multiple screens, huge EQed audio system. They were so amazed to find out your could loop a chapter on a dvd!

     

    I have resigned myself to these questions and procedures:

    1. Do you have a flatscreen TV or projector?

    2. Do you have a DVD or BluRay player?

    3. Take with a BluRay player and if the program requires the video to play all during the event burn the disk to auto play and loop so all they have to do is place it in the player.

     

    Not telling anybody to do anything different. This is just what works for us after 15 years of playing the game and it might help someone else with their workflow.

  • justamacguy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 19, 2013 5:20 PM (in response to El Deanio)

    And if you are putting BluRay drives in a Mac Pro, be sure and your hard drives to NOT sleep in the energy saver panel of your system preferences. Otherwise strange things happen...

  • R C-R Level 6 Level 6 (13,835 points)
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    Mar 19, 2013 7:19 PM (in response to justamacguy)

    justamacguy wrote:

    Most shoots consist of 2 cameras plus one floater camera. We never carry mixers. Just a couple of Zoom H1's with lav mics. And only 2 batteries per camera.

    But you do carry considerably more than an AIO computer, so I don't see why an external a Blu-Ray burner would be something any pro would find burdensome, or what that has to do with the lack of an optical drive (DVD or BR) in the new Macs.

  • justamacguy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 20, 2013 12:43 AM (in response to R C-R)

    Yes it is a pain in the butt not to have the drive in the computer (laptop, in our case). Here is the scenario that happens a couple of times during the year. I have to background this a bit. We are one of the very few videographers in our whole state that does same day weddings. If we have 4-6 hours between the wedding and the reception we can incorporate that into the video for showing at the reception. So, the couple gets married at one location and then has the reception at another which might be up to 50 to 100 miles away. In this case one of us is driving and the other is assembling footage as we go. Trying to burn a disc on the move in a car without a stable desktop is an act of magic. Optical drives hate to be bumped or moved when writing plus your trying to manage plugs and wires in a moving car is a royal pain. If you want to see real "road rage" just ride with us when a disc is 90% done and a disc error pops up. It's to a pretty sight. We like to use jumps or SD cards on the road, but sometimes that just isn't possible at the venue we are traveling to.

  • outofhouse Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 20, 2013 6:26 AM (in response to grandfield)

    To be honest I have an older iMac which came with a DVD drive. It stopped reading any discs about a year ago and so I bought a Samsung external writer for £24 (in the UK). It's been brilliant - writes quicker than the superdrive did and I haven't noticed the difference (all my work backups are on DVD as well as cloud). Just about to buy a new iMac and really not that bothered about having to use a peripheral for DVDs at all.

     

    Mac have always been the people to drag the computer world kicking and screaming into the modern world I remember "what no floppy disc drive" was the shout not so long ago!

  • R C-R Level 6 Level 6 (13,835 points)
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    Mar 20, 2013 8:47 AM (in response to justamacguy)

    justamacguy wrote:

    Yes it is a pain in the butt not to have the drive in the computer (laptop, in our case). Here is the scenario that happens a couple of times during the year….

    OK, but you have to admit your scenario is an unusual one, right? And if you are talking about laptops (or Macs in general) then they have never had BluRay burners in them to begin with, right? So again I have to ask what this has to do with the the lack of a DVD drive in the new Macs?

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