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Aperture D600 Raw Files too dark?

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  • Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,445 points)
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    Mar 9, 2013 11:33 AM (in response to Mike Bisom1)

    Somewhere after the D300 and before the D7000, Nikon made a decision, by their own admission, to treat all flash as Fill.  The result of that, if ISO is set to Auto, is that the shooting solution without Flash is used even when firing a flash.  See ISO is at 640 For me this produces an image that is harder to adjust -- can't say what its effect is on RAW decoding.  On my D800 I even see ISO as high as 1600, when on an older Nikon, firing a flash, would be more like ISO 200.  I dislike this assumption a lot, and go to lengths to set ISO to manual 200 or lower when I know that I will fire a flash.  Otherwise I prefer Auto ISO.

     

    I don't know if this is involved, or not, in your observed issue.

     

    I did find a NEF online to download.  Unfortunately it did not download with camera Preview, but the decoding looks like what I saw online.  See:

     

    http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/nikon-d600/YDSC_3947.NEF.HTM

     

    This image decoded to what appears to be a wonderfully exposed image, before any adjustment.

     

    I will have to check the WB behavior on my D800, but since WB does not impact RAW files, I purposely set it to Auto nearly every time.

     

    Ernie

  • Stylophile Calculating status...
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    Mar 11, 2013 11:05 PM (in response to Mike Bisom1)

    I'm using Aperture 3.4.3 and two Nikons, a D600 and a D7000, both of which are set to shoot RAW + JPEG (basic).  When I import from the D7000, everything looks fine.

     

    When I import from the D600, everything looks fine until I click on the preview image.  Then, I get the "darkening" problem that everyone is discussing.

     

    Have you tried looking at Black Point (in the Exposure section)?  When I import from the D7000, it is set to 0, and the exposure and contrast look fine.  When I import from the D600, it is set to 5, and things are much too dark.  When I reset it to 0, things look fine to me.

     

    Hopefully, this will work as a quick fix until Apple addresses the issue.

     

    Cheers,

    Jay

  • Jason Sims Level 2 Level 2 (180 points)
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    Mar 12, 2013 12:04 AM (in response to Stylophile)

    Same thing I suggested earlier in this thread. Apparently nobody read my posts.

  • Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,445 points)
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    Mar 12, 2013 1:53 PM (in response to Mike Bisom1)

    Hi all,

     

    I went over to my local camera shop to buy a new camera case, and while there I had one of the pro photographers shoot some random shots with a D600, in RAW.  What follows are screenshots of three of the photos, first showing the camera Preview captured before ever letting Aperture generate a new one, and then on the right the display of the default rendering of the RAW w/o any editing.  You can also see the EXIF data along side.

     

    Screen Shot 2013-03-12 at 4.27.38 PM.jpgScreen Shot 2013-03-12 at 4.28.04 PM.jpgScreen Shot 2013-03-12 at 4.29.00 PM.jpg

     

    Although the Black Point is defaulted to 5.0, I don't see much problem with darkening.  In most cases, as viewed on my Retina MBP, the rendering by Aperture from RAW would be a better starting point for further adjustments, than the camera Preview JPEG.

     

    If anyone wants to see larger size/resolution images, I can arrange that.  I have sent them by email to Mike Bisom, who started this thread.

     

    Ernie

  • robbinewmanphoto Level 1 Level 1 (20 points)
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    Mar 20, 2013 12:18 AM (in response to Mike Bisom1)

    Me too...the issue is quite disturbing...I have reset my camera to non D Lighting plus adjusted the black  and white import levels.

    This has not happened with prior cameras at all.

  • robbinewmanphoto Level 1 Level 1 (20 points)
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    Mar 20, 2013 12:21 AM (in response to Mike Bisom1)

    absolutely correct comment about software being 'dumbed' down across the Apple software line. I get the impression that cash flow is more important than quality.

  • Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,445 points)
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    Mar 20, 2013 6:33 AM (in response to robbinewmanphoto)

    Why would you expect Active D Lighting to work with RAW?

     

    Found the following discussion, not about Aperture, but about Lightroom that is applicable:

     

    http://photo.net/nikon-camera-forum/00ZTih

     

    Ernie

  • Régis Corbet Calculating status...
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    Mar 22, 2013 3:59 AM (in response to Ernie Stamper)

    Hi,

    I've turned off Active D Lighting, and miracle, Newer NEFs I've produced since are now displayed correctly.I think that active d lighting is underexposing shots, and only Nikon software are able to understand and compensate that properly.

    Thank you Ernie, I think you spotted the origin of the issue.

    Régis

  • Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,445 points)
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    Mar 22, 2013 10:32 AM (in response to Mike Bisom1)

    Mike,

     

    I have just emailed you an original size JPEG of a photo I went back to the shop and shot with flash.  If you analyze it similarly, you will see that the Cool indications are only on subject matter that is truly under-lit.  Blacks in the middle of the photo, where the flash reached, have not been "crushed".  Also, the detail is quite good if you either turn off high and low, or if you correct the Black Point.

     

    Ernie

  • Ernie Stamper Level 8 Level 8 (37,445 points)
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    Mar 22, 2013 10:51 AM (in response to Mike Bisom1)

    I cannot speak to the conversions of images you have shot.  For those test shots I did in the camera store, I think the black lows would have been there with any camera I have used.  I think I would see the same with the same shot made with my D300, my D800, or the test D600.  The photographer in the camera shop thought the render from RAW was the better starting point compared to the Preview from the camera.  That is a subjective judgement of course.

     

    I think it will not be easy for Apple to find the fix, if we rule out all in camera settings that might have resulted in the JPEG Preview looking better, even with CNX2.

     

    Ernie

  • gobigdave Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    May 3, 2013 2:31 PM (in response to Mike Bisom1)

    I gave up a few weeks ago and migrated everything to Lightroom. I was tired of waiting and not hearing anything.

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