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Wifi Constantly Dropping in Lion

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  • Berend de Meyer Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Mar 23, 2013 1:32 PM (in response to vallejogreg)

    Thanks. interresting post! 

     

    I'm on a MP 3.1 with OS X 10.8.3. Could you please explain the Bonjour Sleep Proxy, perhaps this is a solution for my MP not to wake up again from deep 'coma' with WOL enabled in the preferense pane.

     

    All wired connections!

     

    Cheers.

  • Big Red Dog Calculating status...
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    Mar 23, 2013 2:43 PM (in response to vallejogreg)

    YUP ... ASUS RT-N66R with 802.11n, a/g & b. Best router I've owned ('bout $140 @ Best Buy). Three antenna's and enough EIRP to reach every corner of my 2-story house, garage, pool area, backyard and probably my neighbors.

    BEST OF ALL, the whole problem that this forum is addressing is HISTORY ... GONE.

     

    Lovin' it !

  • vallejogreg Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 23, 2013 3:33 PM (in response to Berend de Meyer)

    Wikipedia has as good an explanation as any  Google Bonjour Sleep Proxy and read in wikipedia.  Also "wake on Demand in the apple support site gives their more optimistic version.  It doesn't work well because it was intended for network administrator use for large wired networks originally.  Also appears that the notebooks have more complications having to do with whether they  are open or  closed while sleeping and whether they are not plugged in while sleeping

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (4,065 points)
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    Mar 23, 2013 3:46 PM (in response to Big Red Dog)

    Well said. My ten year old cell phone won't run the latest phone network. My T-Model Ford won't run on unleaded gas and this dude's old router won't run new network configurations. I think he will continue ranting nonsensical until we all throw in and buy him an updated router like everybody else has as industry standard.

     

    Cheers

     

    Pete

  • gphonei Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 23, 2013 6:59 PM (in response to Big Red Dog)

    Big Red Dog wrote:

     

    YUP ... ASUS RT-N66R with 802.11n, a/g & b. Best router I've owned ('bout $140 @ Best Buy). Three antenna's and enough EIRP to reach every corner of my 2-story house, garage, pool area, backyard and probably my neighbors.

    BEST OF ALL, the whole problem that this forum is addressing is HISTORY ... GONE.

     

    Lovin' it !

    The linksys routers that I've been subjected to have to use over the past several years have been very problematic.  I am convinced that Cisco has ruined that brand completely.  I can not underscore how important it is to have a good quality router that has stable, modern software on it.  There is no reason that your network should not operating correctly wired, or wireless, except for software bugs, or emense RF interference or evironmental/multi-path issues.

  • gphonei Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 23, 2013 7:07 PM (in response to goatcabin)

    goatcabin wrote:

     

    "This doesn't seem to happen with a "wired" connection, so I really don't believe that it's a wake from sleep issue.  It's more of a WiFi compatibility issue."

     

    Actually, this has recently started to occur with my Ethernet connection. I gave up on WiFi quite a while ago and just ran an Ethernet cable. A week or two ago, when I woke my computer up, Thunderbird would show the message, "You are now offline; would you like to go online...?"

    Weird.

    Cheers,

    Alan Shank

    Woodland, CA

    If you are having problems on a wired network, then your router may be resetting and rebooting due to errors that it is encountering.  I saw this behavior from a linksys router in my new office space.  I brought in one of my ubnt nanostation loco m5 routers/radios and put that in place with it setup as a bridge, and now the network is working flawlessly.  The linksys router has the most recent firmware on it, and it is just junk.  Netgear, ubnt.com and Apple all seem to be able to create great products and fix their router firmware as needed because they value their customers and want to keep them as customers.

  • gphonei Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 23, 2013 7:08 PM (in response to Berend de Meyer)

    Berend de Meyer wrote:

     

    Thanks. interresting post! 

     

    I'm on a MP 3.1 with OS X 10.8.3. Could you please explain the Bonjour Sleep Proxy, perhaps this is a solution for my MP not to wake up again from deep 'coma' with WOL enabled in the preferense pane.

     

    All wired connections!

     

    Cheers.

    Berend, what router are you using?  Who is your ISP?  Can you administrate your router?

  • vallejogreg Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 23, 2013 7:24 PM (in response to Berend de Meyer)

    Your computer should wake up after about every 120 minutes to log in with the router, check domain existence or something like that.  It's weird, bugs people.  Wakes up for 20 secs, display doesn't lite up. Part of Wake on Demand (Bonjour Sleep Proxy).

     

    If it bugs you I think you can turn off "wake for network access " in Network Prefs

  • em_dee Calculating status...
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    Apr 7, 2013 5:24 AM (in response to lhale)

    Well.. no doubt I'm posting this in the wrong place, but I have been suffering the problem of constant drop outs for a few days now. I just looked at my network in Airport Utility and realised that although my network storage has a fixed local IP (my doing), the Airport Extreme had accidentally assigned the same IP to the MacBook pro (NAS was switched off when the network restarted, and I hadn't reserved the IPs from the router). I've just set a manual IP for the MacBook Pro and voila, the problem is fixed. I'll go around and set static IPs for everything on the network tomorrow. No doubt this wont fix the problem for everyone, but it worked for me so I figured I would share .

  • Shootist007 Level 6 Level 6 (16,640 points)
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    Apr 7, 2013 6:11 AM (in response to em_dee)

    To get around your problem never assisgn a Static IP in the routers DHCP range. Always in the same subnet but outside of the DHCP allocated range.

  • em_dee Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Apr 7, 2013 7:51 AM (in response to Shootist007)

    yep, I understand that now! Thanks

  • vallejogreg Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Apr 8, 2013 1:29 AM (in response to petermac87)

    Finished downgrading to 10.5.8.  Not all that difficult.   Kept Old 802.11g airport router.  Wha da ya know.  No more problems dropping wifi when wake from sleep.  Plus can use appleworks a sweet suite  that you can no longer run on Lion.  So I do believe the problem was overreach with Bonjour.  Besides, the architecture wasn't designed all that well for networking.  DOS based systems much better at that

  • joemoe1984 Calculating status...
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    Apr 8, 2013 10:47 AM (in response to vallejogreg)

    My issue was an old router. I had a D-Link DR655 runnning the factory firmware version at work. We tried first updating the router, after saving the config file, however, the router had issues accepting the config file it gave us with the original settings. We then found out that there was an issue with the router in general. We got a new one and I haven't had a single connection drop yet.

     

    Don't think that the DR655 is totally outdated though. I can't say for sure what it was. We had the Firmware version at 2.00 and there have been a few updates over the years. We just couldn't get it functioning properly with the new update. It technically was still working. My wifi would drop about 10 times in a work day. Which was annoying.

     

    If you have the same router it could still work for you with the newer firmware update while running Lion. If it doesn't then my suggestion would be to get a new wireless router. Its been a few weeks now and I can say for sure that I am having no problems.

  • gphonei Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Apr 8, 2013 11:15 AM (in response to vallejogreg)

    vallejogreg wrote:

     

    Finished downgrading to 10.5.8.  Not all that difficult.   Kept Old 802.11g airport router.  Wha da ya know.  No more problems dropping wifi when wake from sleep.  Plus can use appleworks a sweet suite  that you can no longer run on Lion.  So I do believe the problem was overreach with Bonjour.  Besides, the architecture wasn't designed all that well for networking.  DOS based systems much better at that

    Most windows users have little technical skill at understanding what is actually wrong.  In your case, you are still pointing the figure at "old stuff" as being "correct" and new stuff as being "wrong".   What you are experiencing, is a compatibility issue.  You can try all you want to not upgrade and keep steping backwards to try and maintain compatibility.   In the end, your best bet, is to buy a new router.

     

    Certainly software that you need to run, no longer working, can be a problem.  But, really, PPC based software is quite aged at this point.   If you have limited resources to spend on your compatibilty issue, doing less can work, but it's only going to continue to be a more moving target with more and more issues to try and "track" and "keep straight".

     

    It really will be much better, in the long run, to replace your router.  Bad firmware in old, 802.11g routers is a huge issue for so many people.  Most of them have no idea how to upgrade the firmware, let along actually considering that to be necessary.  The think of their router like an FM radio.  It's just a "radio" they say.  Well, it's 5% radio and 95% software using that hardware to provide services that are complex, full of "compatibility" and "environmental" issues, that make it very challenging to get right.

     

    ISPs with "DHCP" and "routing" problems are not uncommon either.  We've see people here switch ISPs with the same router and suddenly no more problems.  Your problem is just your router.  Replace it and move on so you don't have to keep worrying about all the other compatibility issues...

  • vallejogreg Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Apr 8, 2013 11:53 AM (in response to gphonei)

    Thanks for the reply.  I was just really curious as to whether this was a router issue and the only way I could figure was to downgrade to an OS that was compatible with the older router.  It amuses me to use really old stuff.

     

    On the other hand, there have been probably a half million posts or more on this subject! 

     

    When is Apple going to just say:  "With this OS 10.6.3 onward, you will need to also purchase a new router with such and such specifications"?

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