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Q: iMac G3 new hard drive

I got a Revision B. Bondi blue iMac G3, and I'm trying to upgrade it for a friend.

He got me a 40GB Seagate Barracuda to put into it.

It runs OS 9.2.2, and as I only have Leopard and Tiger discs, I thought I'd copy the old drive to the new one using my Power Mac G4.

I got SuperDuper to copy over the original 4GB drive onto the 'cuda, and to test that the copy worked, I booted into Tiger, and the copy loaded through Classic (as my G4 is a FW800 and can't boot OS9).

However, when I put the drive into the iMac, I get the flashing questionmark (no OS). The only way I can get anything else is by putting the original drive in, in which case it works. The jumper is set to Master (same as the original drive) and the 'cuda was formatted in my G4 to Apple Partition Map using Disk Utility.

 

Any suggestons on what to try next?

iMac, Mac OS 9.2.x

Posted on Mar 23, 2013 5:32 PM

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  • by a brody,

    a brody a brody Mar 23, 2013 6:09 PM in response to rockstar-plus
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    Mar 23, 2013 6:09 PM in response to rockstar-plus

    You are using too new a machine to copy the data.   The iMac G3 Bondi Blue maxed out at 10.2.8.  The bigger problem is that unless you have 10.2.3 or later, you can't use journaling in the formatting.

  • by rockstar-plus,

    rockstar-plus rockstar-plus Mar 23, 2013 7:11 PM in response to a brody
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    Mar 23, 2013 7:11 PM in response to a brody

    No, I'm not using too new a machine, as I used the exact same technique to copy onto a beige G3 tower before.

    Bondis max at 10.3.9, because they have USB.

    I have later than 10.2.3, just not on the Bondi (my G4 has Leopard and Tiger).

  • by Jeff,

    Jeff Jeff Mar 23, 2013 9:10 PM in response to rockstar-plus
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    Mar 23, 2013 9:10 PM in response to rockstar-plus

    "The jumper is set to Master (same as the original drive) and the 'cuda was formatted in my G4 to Apple Partition Map using Disk Utility."

     

    The drive needs to be reformatted as a Mac OS Extended (HFS+) volume (or volumes, if partitioning is desired) and the "Install Mac OS 9 Drivers" option must be checked.  This is necessary, if the disk is a pre-OS X boot disk.  Unfortunately, this Disk Utility option isn't available when the hard drive is installed in a computer that can't boot into OS 9 - such as your G4.  If you have access to another, slightly older Mac, it would be easier to accomplish this.  Without the OS 9 drivers, the hard drive won't be recognized in the iMac at startup.

  • by rockstar-plus,

    rockstar-plus rockstar-plus Mar 23, 2013 9:12 PM in response to Jeff
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    Mar 23, 2013 9:12 PM in response to Jeff

    I selected Mac OS Extended (journaled), as that is what the original drive was on.

    Where was the OS9 drivers option? I'm guessing that option isn't in Leopard's Disk Utility?

    Is the option available in Tiger's disk utility? If so, where is it?

  • by rockstar-plus,

    rockstar-plus rockstar-plus Mar 23, 2013 9:19 PM in response to Jeff
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    Mar 23, 2013 9:19 PM in response to Jeff

    You know the most annoying part? It's that my only other working PowerPC Mac is that G4. The other one was an Indigo iMac. But it's now a fishtank.

  • by Jeff,Helpful

    Jeff Jeff Mar 23, 2013 9:22 PM in response to rockstar-plus
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    Mar 23, 2013 9:22 PM in response to rockstar-plus

    This option doesn't appear or is grayed out when you're formatting the drive in a Mac that can't boot into OS 9, because - for that computer - there is no need for OS 9 drivers.  Given the small amount of disk space used for it, I'm surprised that the programmers didn't include that option anyway, in case the drive is being formatted for use in a different computer.

  • by Jeff,Helpful

    Jeff Jeff Mar 23, 2013 9:26 PM in response to rockstar-plus
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    Mar 23, 2013 9:26 PM in response to rockstar-plus

    While running Classic on your G4, have you tried running Drive Setup (in the OS 9.x Utilities Folder) to format the drive?  If successful, the reformatting should include the appropriate OS 9 drivers by default, as there was no option to exclude them.

  • by rockstar-plus,

    rockstar-plus rockstar-plus Mar 23, 2013 9:29 PM in response to Jeff
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    Mar 23, 2013 9:29 PM in response to Jeff

    I might just have to try that, thank you!

  • by rockstar-plus,

    rockstar-plus rockstar-plus Mar 23, 2013 10:41 PM in response to Jeff
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    Mar 23, 2013 10:41 PM in response to Jeff

    Drive Setup can't find any of my four hard drives (I'm guessing this is a Classic limitation)

  • by rccharles,

    rccharles rccharles Mar 24, 2013 12:39 PM in response to rockstar-plus
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    Mar 24, 2013 12:39 PM in response to rockstar-plus

    The tray loading iMac requires the boot partition to be within 8gig. Since there are hidden partition before the first visible partition, people recommend that you make the first visible partition 7.5 gig to 7.9gig. The machines support upto a 128gig Parallel ATA drive.

     

    I've read of folks who successfully ran Tiger on the tray loading iMac.  You do need to install on someother machine & move the disk over.

     

    You got enough memory in this machine?

     

    I'd think tiger would boot without the 9.x drivers.

     

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    Is your old iMac hd working?

     

    I used unix dd command to copy over partition image to a larger partition.  Run disk utility to fix up any change in partition size table.

     

    Not sure of procedure for more than one partition. I'd copy over entire disk.  See if this works.  I'd use Tiger command line tools to enlarge partition. Bet you didn't know about these tools.

     

    Let me know if interested in this approach for more details.

     

     

     

     

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    When tired of all this, buy a copy of 9.x on ebay.

  • by rockstar-plus,

    rockstar-plus rockstar-plus Mar 24, 2013 8:37 PM in response to rccharles
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    Mar 24, 2013 8:37 PM in response to rccharles

    I have split the iMac's harddrive into a 7GB partition with OS9, and a 31GB partition that is blank.

     

    I would put Tiger on it by installing on my G4, but unfortunately the iMac has only 32MB RAM (had 64, but one of the DIMMs died for some odd reason, out of the blue?) I would get more RAM, but because it is not my computer, It's not my problem to get more RAM (I honestly think the machine isn't worth new RAM, obviously my friend does, since he wants to keep it until it becones a classic, like a 128K or an Apple ii) so I can't install OS X unless he gets a DIMM for me to put in it.

     

    I'm not going to do this, because a) I'm not sure if it would work, and b) my friend is bringing his eMac for me to format the drive on, since it IS old enough to run OS9 (this should solve my issue). Plus, I'm not very good with command line tools (Xcode is an exception)

     

    I would get OS9 on a CD, but unfortunately eBay isn't really used in New Zealand. We have an alternative called Trade Me, which is nice, but doesn't have a lot of the rare or old stuff.

  • by rccharles,

    rccharles rccharles Mar 25, 2013 9:43 AM in response to rockstar-plus
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    Mar 25, 2013 9:43 AM in response to rockstar-plus

    I have split the iMac's harddrive into a 7GB partition with OS9, and a 31GB partition that is blank.

     

    If you want to run X on the machine, you need to rethink this.  The real rules is all the files that are needed in early boot must be in the 8gig limit.  I have not seen a write up on what the files are or how to move them to the 8gig limit.

     

    You can run X and classic in the same partition. set the fist visible partition to 7.8 gig. install 9 in it.  Next install x on it. use system preferences to pick which boots.

     

    You can get tiger run in about 3gig you need a gig free at the absolute minimum. the imac 333 will support 512 meg.  Larger chips came out after Apple shipped the machine.

     

    Format the rest of the disk. Use SymbolicLinker to move user folders and what you can to the larger partition.

    install SymbolicLinker.  SymbolicLinker is a tiny contextual menu plugin that, once installed, allows any user to create symbolic links to files inside the Finder.</p>

    http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/10433/<br>

  • by rockstar-plus,

    rockstar-plus rockstar-plus Mar 25, 2013 8:07 PM in response to rccharles
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    Mar 25, 2013 8:07 PM in response to rccharles

    I don't want to run X on this system at the moment, so that isn't an issue for me.

    If you read the first post, you will know I have a 40GB drive, so no issues on space.

    Also, Bondis weren't 333MHz (thats a Rev.D 5 flavours model). It's 233MHz.

    The link mechanism isn't needed, as the small partition will be plenty enough to store user folders (I think my friend is keeping it more as a museum piece than a functional computer, so it won't have much on it.

  • by rccharles,

    rccharles rccharles Mar 26, 2013 11:04 AM in response to rockstar-plus
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    Mar 26, 2013 11:04 AM in response to rockstar-plus

    I got your post confused with someone else's post.   happens

     

    Robert

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