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2353 Views 59 Replies Latest reply: May 3, 2006 4:57 AM by stevenruk
Currently Being ModeratedDec 29, 2005 2:18 AM (in response to Hawaiian_Starman)I find Spotlight very usefull and quite fast.
But I have to admit I use Quicksilver more often. Quicksilver is faster. It indexes a little bit slower, so I won't find things I moved or saved a few minutes ago, but the search is much faster.iBook G4, Mac OS X (10.4.3), iPod 60G, Fifth Generation (black)
Currently Being ModeratedJan 7, 2006 1:26 PM (in response to TD|Gaute)Spotlight *****. Spotlight is crap. Spotlight is Windows-like. That says it all.
I do NOT want features that take control away from me. I absolutely hate the pop-up assistants in Microsoft Office, and switch them off. (No, I do NOT want help with typing a letter. Get lost!)
Why can't I, PLEASE, be allowed to type out a word fully before Spotlight goes rolling? Why can't there be a preferences panel where I can select that option, at least?
Silly search program.Powerbook
Currently Being ModeratedJan 8, 2006 4:37 AM (in response to Stein Leikanger)
Spotlight *****. Spotlight is crap. Spotlight is Windows-like. That says it all.
I do NOT want features that take control away from me.
This thread is probably worn out, However . . . I couldn't agree more with Stein . . . It seems Apple has read the writing on the wall and pursued it's itunes/ipod market with it's Spotlight functionality and assumes we all get home after work and 'play' on our Macs. In this state, we can afford to take an extra 5 - 10 seconds narrowing down our searches.
For the pros who have enourmous work loads, any shortcut is a step in the right direction.
If there are any petitions need signing - I'm in!!!!!
Pretty disturbing to hear someone actually got a warning email from the 'powers that be' cause you typed your opinion. What's next ??? . . . a knock at the door???
Powerbook G4 Mac OS X (10.4.3) 1.67Ghz 2G RAM
Powerbook G4 Mac OS X (10.4.3) 1.67Ghz 2G RAM
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 20, 2006 10:21 PM (in response to Mark Jones)As far as I can tell, Save is only available to save results of a search - not to save search criteria (such as "Only search by file name" & "display the results as a list". How hard can it be to allow user defined defaults.
As with others, I've been dedicated to Apples since OS 7. I have only ever had two regrets: I bought one of the first DV iMacs - and spent a year shuffling back and forward to the workshop; and Spotlight - the biggest step backwards I've ever encountered. In fact it's not a step backwards... It's a stumble right off the cliff.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 21, 2006 1:29 AM (in response to bambo)Bambo,
Join the chorus of worried Tiger users who can't find the files they need!
I jumped off that cliff. i.e. did something I never thought I'd do with the Mac OS, and went back, to Panther.
That's how important it is to me to be able to find files. I'm willing to forego everything else the OS offers.12" PowerBook G4, G4 450 DP tower, Mac OS X (10.3.9), on the Powerbook, and 10.4.2 on the G4 450
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 21, 2006 9:13 PM (in response to JayMac)If Spotlight offered any sort of basic customization (e.g. setting file/folder name only search as default), it wouldn't keep me from giving up 10.3.9 .
As it is now, a bloated Find program which forces me to readjust the settings in several steps every time I open it renders Tiger useless for me, I simply can't see much use for an OS w/o a proper search function.
That and this silly Dashboard do not really add to an OS which isn't exactly snappy on even the fastest rigs.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 22, 2006 12:25 AM (in response to thanon)Thanon,
I am one of many here who would agree with you. If I cannot find files quickly, simply, completely, and reliably, with a clear path back to the location of all find items that is simple to navigate, then it doesn't matter what other features Tiger claims to offer, I'ìm simply not interested & don't have time.
Actually without Spotlight and Dashboard, I have never identified any features in Tiger that make it better than Panther. Indeed, in some ways I find it considerably worse.12" PowerBook G4, G4 450 DP tower, Mac OS X (10.3.9), on the Powerbook, and 10.4.2 on the G4 450
Currently Being ModeratedMar 3, 2006 8:30 AM (in response to Mike N. (nahyunil))
Spotlight would be a far better tool if it had options to search for file/folder
You can do this with the ⌘F search window. Select Name:Contains. If you edit
default_smart.plist file, you can set the Name:Contains to come up as default.
Mike N. (nahyunil), I looked at this file in TextEdit and couldn't make hide nor hare of it.
Could you or somebody else who knows please reply here with two items:
1) The precise line to change
2) The precise line to change it to
And please tell us if we're going to have to lock this file to prevent the OS from changing it back again.
PowerBook Pismo 500 Mac OS X (10.4.5)
Currently Being ModeratedApr 17, 2006 7:05 PM (in response to Scott Mesch)I just wanted to post my agreement that Spotlight is awful. It has cost me a lot of time and money. I have bought 7 macs of various kinds for my office in the past few years because OS X was saving us time compared to the windows machines being unstable. Now, I am wasting a lot of time just trying to find simple files. I wish we had never upgraded our machines to Tiger.
I think Apple needs to put out an alternative software or patch or something immediately so that I can get some work done!!!!!<G5 Dual 2.0 2G of RAM, Mac OS X (10.4.4)
Currently Being ModeratedApr 17, 2006 7:31 PM (in response to Stephen M146)Stephen, you probably already know this, but in case not - go to Versiontracker.com and download EasyFind. It may not be as quick or convenient as the former OS X Find, and it's limited to name-only searches, but if all you want to do is find a file with the string 'xyz' embedded somewhere in its name, EasyFind is loads better than Spotlight!
I agree re installing Tiger. I have it on my (sacrificial) laptop, which I use to keep tabs on incremental updates in the increasingly vain hope that Apple will do something to make Spotlight useable for simple searches, something like returning the earlier Find command to us. Otherwise I've stuck with Panther and have no regrets about that!Dual 2.5Ghz G5, Mac OS X (10.3.9), 3.5MB RAM
Currently Being ModeratedApr 18, 2006 9:05 AM (in response to John Dorsey)MUCH faster than EasyFind is the very nice & simple-to-use front end to Spotlight, NotLight:
It's almost as useful as the old Find File.
PowerBook Pismo 500 Mac OS X (10.4.5)
Currently Being ModeratedApr 23, 2006 1:02 PM (in response to Scott Mesch)I WHOLEHEARTILY AGREE !
I am running a G5 with 2 hard drives -- one with Panther (10.3.9) installed and one with Tiger installed.
I generally ONLY use Tiger if I'm running some software that will not run under Panther -- simply because I CAN'T STAND SPOTLIGHT.
I keep my files well organized and most of my searches involve simply looking for a file by name because I mistakenly saved it without looking to see which folder it was going into. With Panther this was quick and painless, a quick search finds my file by name, and ONLY my file every time.
With Tiger, when I do a search I get a huge list of all kinds of garbage and useless information which I have no need of and , frankly, don't even know where/why Spotlight finds this stuff.
The best thing Apple could do with Tiger (or Leopard) would be to give back a SIMPLE search function such as Panther (and then make Spotlight an OPTION, for those who can't be bothered to keep their stuff organized, or create file names which indicate what the file actually is).G5, Mac OS X (10.3.9)
Currently Being ModeratedApr 28, 2006 1:50 PM (in response to Mark Jones)speed is often a matter of perception, but in the end, if one's customers are happy or unhappy, they have the right to feel the way the do. In fact, ultimately, we all have the right to percieve of Spotlight anything we want, whether this perception is based on technically accurate assumptions or not. There is no right or wrong, only perception. And it does far appear the common perception is that Spotlight needs some help.
So, fix #1 - remove the ambiguity of the 2 GUI's that help users find files on Tiger based Macs - users shouldnt have to ask or wonder if Cmd-F is the way to go or if clicking on the funny blue circle colored icon in the upper right corner is the way. Resolve this ambiguity.
fix #2 - realize that indexing isnt necessary for everyone. How many novice users or switchers or even some longtime Mac users will divine that to use Spotlight fully/correctly they should setup a proper index and set search attributes via the Control Panel ? How many of these folks will get that Spotlight might not find a file they know is on their computer when they input the search string into the topmost field ? This is asking too much. The results in this forum are roaring proof ! Indexing only works if it's setup properly, and there's too many ways that condition can not exist on any given Mac. Enable the turning off of indexing, without using the Terminal, or any 3rd party software: build the disable switch into the OS. Some Mac users need indexing and some dont, so lets not force this on everyone. Link the type ahead feature to indexing (ie, type ahead will only work for those users who have indexing enabled), and conversely, no type ahead on non-indexed Macs...
fix #3 - redo the Cmd-F / Spotlight GUI, so that everyone, including our steadily increasing base of novice users and switchers will have a simpler and 'cant get it wrong' type of interface, ala Panther/OS9 Find-File.
Since there are so many ways for a Mac to end up with poor indexing, from system upgrades (10.x to 10.4), to importing huge Mail databases, to just plain poor system maintenance, Spotlight must be unlinked to mandatory indexing, with one user configurable GUI (which should be kept tied to a keyboard shortcut). The find file utility of a Mac must yield simple and accurate results even on systems with no or poor indexing, or even for older systems where users still want the other benefits of a modern OS.
my 02 cents. Still a huge Apple Fan.G5/4/3 and soon Intel Mac, Mac OS X (10.4.4), I still love my iBook 1.42Ghz
Currently Being ModeratedMay 3, 2006 4:57 AM (in response to Ed Hanna)
The earlier post by a graphics guy has some food for
thought—especially given Apple's favoured position in
such markets—where are the Find Graphic
capabiliities? Find by image dimensions, by
proportions, by resolution, by bit depth, by matching
a checksum? We've all used Command-F at sometime or
other to locate and edit duplicate names, where's the
duplicate image finding command? Why, come to think
of it, wouldn't that be handy for text and
spreadsheet files as well? To say nothing of
Maybe devoting the same attention to those unmet
needs as to Spotlight might have created new fans.
Failing to deliver what had worked
before—straightforward, unambitious functional
search—because you've been meeting 'the needs' of a
few clearly endangers the good opinion of many
I'm sort of stuck between all of you on these issues of spotlight.
It has it's great moments, like finding a forgotten address listed in a mail message somewhere, or even a lost address in an excel spreadsheet/___sbsstatic___/migration-images/migration-img-not-avail.png I've no idea how it did it - but it did/___sbsstatic___/migration-images/migration-img-not-avail.png Thank goodness/___sbsstatic___/migration-images/migration-img-not-avail.png ( i just typed the persons name and it found a very old excel address book export )
As for images, it is basic, but as a Graphics professional myself i almost always use adobe bridge and version cue as my "find" method of choice. You can search for any sort of metadata through bridge- and as it is designed to search images it seems right to use it for that. Version cue also enables the use of the most uptodate versions of all adobe's image software. Resorting to spotlight as a last resort because of the number of preview images it is required to resolve.
As for finding the root/location to a particular file...if you ctrl click on any document icon in spotlight, you can reveal the item in the finder, or as has been said before the info icon is amazingly useful.
Give the software a little bit of a break, its new, it's finding it's feet and it's appropriate niches- i'm sure it will end up becoming as indispensible as many other of apples software apps have over the years/___sbsstatic___/migration-images/migration-img-not-avail.png
As for widgets/___sbsstatic___/migration-images/migration-img-not-avail.png/___sbsstat ic___/migration-images/migration-img-not-avail.png/___sbsstatic___/migration-ima ges/migration-img-not-avail.png Am i not using them correctly???? They baffle me/___sbsstatic___/migration-images/migration-img-not-avail.png
Dual 2 GHz G5 Mac OS X (10.4.6) 2.5 GB RamDual 2 GHz G5, Mac OS X (10.4.6), 2.5 GB Ram