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4th Gen "Clickwheel" iPod: switching on again does not bring up Apple icon after drive swap

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I have this Clickwheel iPod I got from a family member which had been quite erratic, the hard drive was at the verge of caving in completely. After the umpteenth time I decided to put in a new drive (solid state) and it seemed to synch properly at the first attempt, but afterwards the display switched between the Apple icon and the folder icon indicating some sort of corruption inside. A few rounds of tinkering and resetting later I got it to work, but after switching off by pressing and holding the Play/Pause button, pressing it again to switch it on does not bring up the Apple icon, but straight to the screen previously displayed.

 

I feel quite stumped by this phenomenon and hope to rectify it completely; I do prefer this iPod for its Firewire connection that goes well with the earlier Macs which I prefer, for my line of work. Thank you.

4th Gen iPod Clickwheel, Other OS
  • Kenichi Watanabe Level 7 Level 7 (29,995 points)

    I actually have a 4th gen iPod with a Compact Flash card inside.  It's on an adapter that I bought on eBay.  It's only 8GB, but it was a test to see if it would work reliably.  And it does seem to work reliable.  I also use FireWire to connect it

     

    What are your "solid state drive" specifics?  Is there actually an SSD in the 1.8-inch Toshiba "1G to 4G iPod drive" form factor?

  • Kenichi Watanabe Level 7 Level 7 (29,995 points)

    Since the hard drive was already about to fail, putting it back in may not be a good test.

     

    There is a ribbon cable that connects the drive to the logic board.  The end that connects to the logic board is covered by a thin film.  In case that end of the connection became dislodged, peel back the film.  On the connector, side next to battery, is a thin bar that you "flip up" to loosen the connection.  Do that and pull out the connection.  Visually examine the connector for corrosion and any other problems.  FULLY reinsert and push down the thin bar to reconnect. 

     

    Connect your flash assembly (or the hard drive) and try it again.

  • Kenichi Watanabe Level 7 Level 7 (29,995 points)

    I hope you didn't try to move it the long way.  This online guide has pictures

     

    http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Installing+iPod+4th+Generation+or+Photo+Hard+Drive+C able/392/1

     

    Step 11 is what I called "flip up the bar."

     

    I think you should disconnect it anyways.  There may be some corrosion or oxidation at the points of connection.  Taking it out and putting it back in will reseat the cable.

    the Apple icon appeared and then the iPod menu followed.

    So, it's working now.  That sounds like what it's supposed to do...

     

    I guess there are some 1.8-inch SSDs, but they seem to use the ZIF (zero insertion force) connector, so it may work in the 5th gen iPod and current iPod classic.  The original MacBook Air models also used the iPod hard drive with the ZIF connector on base models.

  • Kenichi Watanabe Level 7 Level 7 (29,995 points)

    Well, that's actually how it's supposed to work.  While you are listening to a song, if you power it off by holding the Play/Pause button, and then press a button to turn it back on, it goes back to the same song, to the exact spot where you stopped listening.  If you are at the main menu screen and powered off, that's where it would "resume."  The iPod is basically in "sleep" mode, like computer sleep.

     

    If you power it off for an extended period, then it will save battery power by turning completely off.  Then, when you press a button, you see the Apple logo as the iPod starts up.  I don't know what the cut-off time is for sleep versus shut off.  If you disconnect the battery, that's a shut off.

     

    So, sounds like it's working properly to me... 

  • Kenichi Watanabe Level 7 Level 7 (29,995 points)

    I'm telling you, the way I described it is the way iPods work, from the very first iPod.   From a design perspective, doesn't it make sense for the iPod to resume where you left off?  As a user, that's what I would want.  Every time I turn it on, I don't want to wait until the Apple logo goes away, and have to navigate to the audiobook I was listening to, and find the spot where I left off.  When I said "extended period," it could be a few days before the complete shut off to maximize power conservation.

     

    If your iPod did present the Apple logo every time, after being powerd off, that is actually the problem.  It should not do that.  Because it's hard drive was becoming unreliable, that may have been the reason it was not working properly and not holding its "resume to" state.  And now that you've replaced the drive, it's working properly...

     

    As I've said, I've done the same modification.  For this particular behavior, my 4th gen iPod works the same before (with hard drive) and after (with compact flash card).

     

    FYI - I found I can get a 64GB compact flash card for less than $60, and a 32GB one for about about $25.  I might get one soon and replace the 8GB "tester."

  • Kenichi Watanabe Level 7 Level 7 (29,995 points)

    You'll see that Apple logo at other times... such as:

     

    If the iPod is powered off for a LONG time

    When you do a Reset (reboot) by pressing and holding the Menu and Center buttons

    After doing a Restore on the iPod

     

    The prices for the 64GB Compact Flash cards on Amazon are mostly much higher, except for this one brand called "Dolgix," which is half as costly (or even less).  It's not that "fast" compared to most of the others, but it's replacing a relatively slow hard drive, so speed should not be a big issue (it's 133x).  In the customer comments, a lot of people are using it for iPod upgrades, so it must work, but a lot of them have 5th gen iPods.

  • Kenichi Watanabe Level 7 Level 7 (29,995 points)

    If doing a Reset caused it become non-functional, there is obviously a problem with the iPod.  It's probably related to storage.

     

    On my adapter for the compact flash card, I recall that there is a "jumper" for setting it to master/slave.  You put a jumper over the pair of pins to set it to master.  No jumper is the slave setting.  For use in an iPod, it needs to be set to master.

     

    Do you remember something for setting it to master on the adapter you used? 

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